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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:02 pm to LSUPilot07
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:02 pm to LSUPilot07
I think what's being refered to here are Battalion Tactical Groups which have 6-800 soldiers in them. If Russia forms 30 new ones, that would be equivalent to about 24,000 soldiers max.
From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battalion_tactical_group
From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battalion_tactical_group
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A battalion tactical group (Russian: batal'onnaya takticheskaya gruppa), abbreviated as BTG, is a combined-arms manoeuvre unit deployed by the Russian Army that is kept at a high level of readiness.[1] A BTG typically comprises a battalion (typically mechanised infantry) of two to four companies reinforced with air-defence, artillery, engineering, and logistical support units, formed from a garrisoned army brigade. A tank company and rocket artillery typically reinforce such groupings. BTGs formed the mainstay of Russia's military intervention in Ukraine from 2013–2015, particularly in the War in Donbas.[2]
As of August 2021, Russia's defence minister stated the country had about 170 BTGs.[3] Each BTG has approximately 600–800 officers and soldiers,[4] of whom roughly 200 are infantrymen, equipped with vehicles typically including roughly 10 tanks and 40 infantry fighting vehicles.[5]:?pp. 11–13
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 12:02 pm
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:10 pm to Chromdome35
https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1530222239207272448
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Ukraine Map briefing for May 27
- Russian troops have fully captured Lyman, the last town to the north of the Donets.
- The Russian advance near Popasna has slowed, but still continues to move through fields.
- Russia has reached the edge of Sievierodonetsk
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:16 pm to Chromdome35
Yeah it seems they run in individual battle groups that has their own separate infantry, armored vehicles and artillery. Around 2-3 companies of infantry and 10 tanks to a battle group with the idea that they can sustain themselves without help from other units but their training on armored tactics is awful and their infantry is literally cannon fodder and nothing more. If Ukraine can hold out long enough to get enough soldiers refitted and retrained by western-NATO armies then they can win this fight even being outnumbered and outgunned. Ukrainian militia groups who were civilians and just picked up a rifle are already showing better than Russian troops. The Russian economy can’t do this forever either. They are already pulling antiques out of storage and sending them to the front.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:31 pm to LSUPilot07
At this point its all about time and attrition.
If Russia closes off the pocket, what happens next, does Russia try to get a ceasefire and keep what they've taken, or do they push forward and try to take the rest of the country. I don't think they have the troops to do that. It's taken an extreme concentration of their troops to show progress in the pocket.
If Russia closes off the pocket, what happens next, does Russia try to get a ceasefire and keep what they've taken, or do they push forward and try to take the rest of the country. I don't think they have the troops to do that. It's taken an extreme concentration of their troops to show progress in the pocket.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:42 pm to Chromdome35
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At this point its all about time and attrition. If Russia closes off the pocket, what happens next, does Russia try to get a ceasefire and keep what they've taken, or do they push forward and try to take the rest of the country. I don't think they have the troops to do that. It's taken an extreme concentration of their troops to show progress in the pocket.
Russia may try that, refit for a year or two and come back for another bite of the apple. You're already hearing some in the west call for a ceasefire in exchange for land concessions by Ukraine. That would be a disaster, ensure that this happens all over again, and embolden China to boot.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:58 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Russia basically using the death by a thousand cuts tactics now
No matter how many troops get killed
The way they’re fighting, I don’t think the Russians are taking serious casualties now. They use infantry to expose the enemy’s position, and then they just hammer the target with artillery.
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It’s basically turns into Russia takes new ground and Ukraine takes back ground Russia was holding
The Ukrainian Army is breaking down due to the losses they’ve sustained.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 1:15 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Ukrainian Army is breaking down due to the losses they’ve sustained.
I think this could be true at a localized level within the pocket. There is no evidence they have broken down anywhere else.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 1:48 pm to Jim Rockford
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Russia may try that, refit for a year or two and come back for another bite of the apple. You're already hearing some in the west call for a ceasefire in exchange for land concessions by Ukraine. That would be a disaster, ensure that this happens all over again, and embolden China to boot.
I think it would be a massive mistake for Ukraine to accept a ceasefire at that point because of exactly what you said, it will just start over again a few years from now after Russia regroups. Agree on China as well.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 1:52 pm to Chromdome35
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The Ukrainian Army is breaking down due to the losses they’ve sustained.
The Military Times said today that Russia will have complete control over the Donbas region by next week.
The Ukrainians have suffered significant casualties over the last week in the Donbas region. If these unverified reports that over 42,000 Ukrainian soldiers were killed in the Donbas region are correct that would explain the rapid advance by the Russians.
The Telegraph: "Ukraine says ‘fate of the country’ could be decided in Donbas battles
Vladimir Putin’s troops close to encircling cities of Severodonetsk and Lyschansk, and seize three towns in Donetsk region"
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 3:45 pm to MrLSU
When the politicians begin to flee Ukraine then you know its getting bad.
Former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko just arrived at the Rava-Russian checkpoint of Lviv Customs and is trying to leave Ukraine for Poland in his Range Rover. They are debating whether to let him through or not right now.
Former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko just arrived at the Rava-Russian checkpoint of Lviv Customs and is trying to leave Ukraine for Poland in his Range Rover. They are debating whether to let him through or not right now.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 3:50 pm to MrLSU
Maybe he decided he didn't want to stick around for his trial?
Posted on 5/27/22 at 3:56 pm to MrLSU
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When the politicians begin to flee Ukraine then you know its getting bad.
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Former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko just arrived at the Rava-Russian checkpoint of Lviv Customs and is trying to leave Ukraine for Poland in his Range Rover.
Isn't he the Russian puppet that got voted out of office? Why would he be leaving if things were going so badly?
Posted on 5/27/22 at 4:06 pm to MrLSU
Coward. Turn his arse around and give him a helmet and rifle and tell him to do something worth while for a change. He’d probably just shoot himself. Hope he doesn’t have anymore political aspirations.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 5:10 pm to LSUPilot07
Sadly, it appears the Russians have finally figured out establishing a mobile bridge.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 5:11 pm to RLDSC FAN
KP military update: More heavy fighting in Donbas, little movement Published May 27 at 7:45 pm
Ukrainian troops held their positions on Friday, May 27, in a day of heavy fighting across the Donbas sector, news agencies and official an statement said.
Oleksandr Stryuk, head of the Severodonetsk city defense command, in a public statement confirmed that Russian Federation (RF) forces had broken into the Mir Hotel on the northern outskirts of the town, and said fierce battles were in progress near the city bus station. UAF defenses generally were holding, he said.
Kyiv Post
Ukrainian troops held their positions on Friday, May 27, in a day of heavy fighting across the Donbas sector, news agencies and official an statement said.
Oleksandr Stryuk, head of the Severodonetsk city defense command, in a public statement confirmed that Russian Federation (RF) forces had broken into the Mir Hotel on the northern outskirts of the town, and said fierce battles were in progress near the city bus station. UAF defenses generally were holding, he said.
Kyiv Post
Posted on 5/27/22 at 5:23 pm to facher08
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Former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko just arrived at the Rava-Russian checkpoint of Lviv Customs and is trying to leave Ukraine for Poland in his Range Rover.
Isn't he the Russian puppet that got voted out of office? Why would he be leaving if things were going so badly?
The Russians had no love for Poroshenko, he was elected after their puppet fled in 2014. But Poroshenko isn't very popular in Ukraine, Zelensky trounced him in 2019. There were rumors in January that Poroshenko may be arrested for corruption. If he's fleeing Ukraine it's much more likely to be due to avoiding jail than due to the Russians.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 5:47 pm to Tigris
quote:Poroshenko oversaw the revamping of the Ukrainian military beginning in 2014. Poroshenko also returned to Ukraine days before the Russian invasion and stood tall & openly gave dozens of outdoor interviews during the Battle of Kyiv.
The Russians had no love for Poroshenko, he was elected after their puppet fled in 2014. But Poroshenko isn't very popular in Ukraine, Zelensky trounced him in 2019. There were rumors in January that Poroshenko may be arrested for corruption. If he's fleeing Ukraine it's much more likely to be due to avoiding jail than due to the Russians.
The only coward is Putin who never served in the military / combat & is hiding safely in his Kremlin bunker while tens of thousands of his undisciplined troops are slaughtered. Cowardly killing women & children & destroying the lives of the so called "Pro Russian" East.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 6:02 pm to DabosDynasty
The high ground is the other side of the river which runs below Lyman. The large railyard at Lyman can be shelled easily for that high ground
Posted on 5/27/22 at 6:16 pm to sugar71
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The only coward is Putin who never served in the military / combat & is hiding safely in his Kremlin bunker
And by himself at the end of very long desks and tables, terrified of covid germs, apparently. The despicable bastard can't die soon enough.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 6:23 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I don’t think the Russians are taking serious casualties now.
Russia is suffering about 7500 KIA in taking Lyman this week. The front only moved 20 km on that front. That is around 350 KIA for every km.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 6:29 pm
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