re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Wasn’t that what Trump was talking about?

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The last President of the US just publicly said that in his opinion it may be more likely than not that we will become involved in a nuclear war.

Seems relevant.

And how is it crap?

What are you trying to say?

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Well...seeing as how only one of the participants in this war has Nuclear Weapons, I'd say that the only way it becomes a nuclear war is if Trumps buddy Vlad uses them because he is about to lose the war and is trying to save face or be vindictive because his pride got hurt.


So maybe, instead of blaming the current US President for the current state of affairs, he should turn that shite towards his buddy Vlad.

Jomini finally issues new map updates. This is my favorite mapper.

In regards to the Kharkiv Front:
https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1528892448042536960

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Kharkiv OD. The Ukrainian counteroffensive has likely stalled due to recent Russian spoiling attacks in the Ternova & Rubizhne area. Russian forces retain a shallow 10km strip of occupied territory on the border within artillery range of Kharkiv

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Russia likely intends to maintain a presence west bank of the Siverskyi Donets rather than use the length of the river as natural obstacle Ukrainian forces must cross. With a bridgehead already over the river at Staryi Saltiv, Ukrainian forces can still threaten Vovchansk.

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The best way to view these maps is to right click and save them locally then you can open them and zoom into the details.

In the Severodonestsk area:

https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1528892450122747904

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Severodonetsk-Donetsk OD. Despite continued heavy losses in the Severodonetsk-Donetsk OD, Russian forces have successfully achieved a localized breakthrough in the Popasna area as well as numerous incremental gains along the Izium & Lyman axes & between Horlivka & Donetsk.

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The Russian MoD allocated a small operational maneuver group (OMG) of its most capable forces to punch through the secondary Popasna defensive line and exploit this breach toward Soladar in the west and Lysychansik to the north, likely with the intent of forming a cauldron.

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Russian forces appear to be leveraging the advantage of Luhansk’s dense rail network to keep forward forces adequately supplied. The OMG in Popasna has made better use of combined arms, a doctrinal approach to breaching prepared defenses, and integrating new combat assets.

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The best way to view these maps is to Right click and save the file locally, then open it to zoom into the details.

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You know, maybe the problem is I am using the literal meaning of the word “sovereign”.

possessing supreme or ultimate power



Now you guys tell me, what is supreme about being invaded by your neighbor?

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So let’s say you’re right., for the sake of argument. Let’s say the definition of “sovereignty” only applies to the extent that you’re able to protect it.

Ok.. so what? I don’t really get the point here - is this entire five page back-and-forth just an argument about semantics?

This all started because Centinel said this:

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Because he says shite like this war is the fault of the US and EU because of western expansionism, and that the best thing is for Ukraine to be conquered and subjugated. I don't take seriously anyone who advocates the subjugation of a sovereign nation to steal their resources and permanently control them.

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You apparently took issue with his usage of the word “sovereign.” I will admit, I do find the word to be overused in this thread. I also find it a bit redundant. So what if I edit one word in his post?:

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Because he says shite like this war is the fault of the US and EU because of western expansionism, and that the best thing is for Ukraine to be conquered and subjugated. I don't take seriously anyone who advocates the subjugation of another nation to steal their resources and permanently control them.

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Do you disagree with this viewpoint?

In your subsequent posts, you’ve said:
- that you support the Ukrainians’ fight,
- that all of the small NATO members need the alliance in order to defend themselves and that Ukraine should already be in NATO,
- that it was a failure by the US that Ukraine is in a position to be invaded in the first place,
- that Russia is in the wrong, in your view,
- that nobody in the west should ever trust Russia, and
- that it’s OK to believe these things without being a “Putin bro.”

Here’s the thing - that’s not at all the set of beliefs that led to this entire argument. It’s certainly not the set of beliefs that would lead to anyone being perceived as a supporter of Russia/Putin. Centinel’s post that you replied to was bitching about another guy who said “the war is the end result of western expansionism, via NATO.” Now you’re advocating for NATO expansion. It doesn’t exactly sound like you agree with that guy.

So I ask again - what’s the point? Is this a 5 page argument about semantics?

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You know, maybe the problem is I am using the literal meaning of the word “sovereign”.

possessing supreme or ultimate power

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It is OK, terms of art confuse a lot of people.

10 Day weather forecast for the eastern front. Ground is going to dry out quickly with temperatures inching up towards 80f.

https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1528892446020554752

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Weather Outlook. Forecast for the next 10 days will see reduced cloud cover with little inclement weather; favorable conditions for air & artillery strikes as well as ground assaults. Wind speed and direction will reduce the effectiveness of artillery strikes in general.

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No. I dont consider Poland anything until they were in NATO and secured.

I view a lot of these little insignificant countries like states in the US.

You know, Texas is a great state, but we would get absolutely bodied if the rest of the states in the US ganged up on us and attacked us. The strength is our union.

Sovereignty, in my view, is strength. That is why North Korea exist as economically and socially insignificant as they are.

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Absolute fricking rubbish. Classic bully complex.

Taken to it's logical conclusion: If Ukraine eventually convinces the world to support it until Russia is defeated, then it was in hindsight Sovereign. If it does not, it was never sovereign. One sigle action like the death of Putin could sway the Sovereignty of Ukraine.

How does one arrive at such drivel.

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Current positioning of the Black Sea Fleet.

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About 25 km outside of the maximum range of the Neptune cruise missile.