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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:27 pm to JayDeerTay84
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:27 pm to JayDeerTay84
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If you cant defend or secure the means to defend country, how are you sovereign? It goes against the very meaning of the word. History is full of nations that came and went.
Well were they nations or weren’t they?
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:30 pm to JayDeerTay84
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As I said previously, how can you consider one a sovereign state without securing security?
Would you consider Switzerland a Sovereign State? Costa Rica?
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:35 pm to JayDeerTay84
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If you are not protected by another country or faction of countries, you are subject to your own defense and the whim of the political atmosphere around you.
So, if you are invaded and taken over, you are nothing. Morals dont really mean much when reality hits.
To your point, Costa Rica's independence is secured via a treaty with the US in 1948.
Honest question for you:
Do you believe the Confederacy was a Sovereign State?
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:37 pm to magildachunks
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Do you believe the Confederacy was a Sovereign State?
Trick question. Under the legal precedence prior to the war? Yes. Under the legal precedence after the war? No.
I'll let you interpret the fallout as you feel fit.
ETA: Also an interesting study in to how stare decisis is a thing until it's not politically expedient.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:38 pm to JayDeerTay84
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If Germany never lost WW2, would Poland exist today? No.
Did Poland become sovereign at the end of WW2 in your mind?
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:45 pm to ned nederlander
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Did Poland become sovereign at the end of WW2 in your mind?
No. I dont consider Poland anything until they were in NATO and secured.
I view a lot of these little insignificant countries like states in the US.
You know, Texas is a great state, but we would get absolutely bodied if the rest of the states in the US ganged up on us and attacked us. The strength is our union.
Sovereignty, in my view, is strength. That is why North Korea exist as economically and socially insignificant as they are.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:52 pm to JayDeerTay84
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No I am not. I am giving a reason as to why these things happen. Its not "justifying" to give actual reasons as to why shite happens.
Noting that stronger nations have invaded and conquered weaker nations isn’t exactly a brilliant insight. Nobody needs you to explain that
But the idea that Ukraine is not a sovereign nation because Russia could, possibly, invade and conquer is just stupid. Every country could be destroyed. It’s always possible.
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As I said previously, how can you consider one a sovereign state without securing security?
No country is absolutely secure. I guess you’re saying sovereignty doesn’t exist
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:55 pm to JayDeerTay84
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No. I dont consider Poland anything until they were in NATO and secured.
That's because you've never been to Poland. And don't understand Polish history.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:58 pm to VOLhalla
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But the idea that Ukraine is not a sovereign nation because Russia could, possibly, invade and conquer is just stupid. Every country could be destroyed. It’s always possible.
I didn't say that. I said they are not sovereign because they failed to secure their country. Not because Russia could "possibly" attack.
It should have always been a matter of "when".
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No country is absolutely secure. I guess you’re saying sovereignty doesn’t exist
I am saying is a meaningless word as it is. The only thing that means anything internationally is strength.
We should all be in agreeance that there are parts of this world that will never be like us and think like us. History has showed that when opposite political ideologies exist and a power gap is is present, it gets acted on in one way or another.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:59 pm to Centinel
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That's because you've never been to Poland. And don't understand Polish history.
Cool. Poland exist today because the US entered the war.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:19 pm to JayDeerTay84
U r dum.
And unwise.
That’s a bad combo platter.
But keep being you, the hipster who’s always swimming upstream.
Just be that moran somewhere else, please.
And unwise.
That’s a bad combo platter.
But keep being you, the hipster who’s always swimming upstream.
Just be that moran somewhere else, please.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:20 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Cool. Poland exist today because the US entered the war.
no. Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:23 pm to JayDeerTay84
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I dont consider Poland anything until they were in NATO and secured
Well if that is your position what is the point of asking “would Poland be sovereign if Germany had one WW2?” and than answering your own question “no” other than to troll.
What you are doing is setting up a test of sovereignty where it is unknowable until it is ended. You would make one hell of a jurist in the Massachusetts Bay Colony.
But then again this is 21st century America and if you want to redefine words such as sovereign to mean whatever you want it’s a free and potentially sovereign nation.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:23 pm to ned nederlander
Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:43 pm to ned nederlander
You know, maybe the problem is I am using the literal meaning of the word “sovereign”.
possessing supreme or ultimate power
Now you guys tell me, what is supreme about being invaded by your neighbor?
possessing supreme or ultimate power
Now you guys tell me, what is supreme about being invaded by your neighbor?
Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:48 pm to JayDeerTay84
or you could use the definition that actually applies
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(of a nation or its affairs) acting or done independently and without outside interference.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:48 pm to Kjnstkmn
Get outta here with that crap!
Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:49 pm to pussywillows
Obviously they are allowing Russia to interfere.
Also, they rely on western funds.
I am using it correctly. Thanks.
Also, they rely on western funds.
I am using it correctly. Thanks.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:50 pm to JayDeerTay84
oooh, you're just stupid...carry on!
Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:52 pm to pussywillows
You sure showed me!
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