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re: LA State Rep. Chuck Owen (R-Rosepine): Time For A Fundamental Debate On Carbon Capture
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:08 am to ragincajun03
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:08 am to ragincajun03
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Like?
I’m genuinely curious.
Like I said, keeping people in the area. I grew up here, I moved away and I came back. Due to family, and most of the time I'd rather be back in Idaho, but I'm not. I'm here. I grew up with a lot of really smart people. Most of them are not here anymore. Off the top of my head they are in NO, Houston, Dallas, Tulsa, Minneapolis, Seattle. They are living normal lives like normal people in places better suited for that. They left because the writing is on the wall when you get to be about 18.
How does that change? I don't know. My first thought is that there is nothing here that distinguishes this place from more northern LA cities. One asset is Timber. You have some ports with the Red River. You could argue sugarcane, but that's more South.
I think that leadership needs to discuss what makes a city with nothing particularly interesting get ahead. Look at studies of cities across the country, try to look at what they're doing. What kind of people do you want in the area? Market to that demographic. Get smart people back home.
One idea is to make the area education focused. I like the focus on CLTCC and the new campus. I think providing places like that for kids that would otherwise go to CC in BR or Shreveport is a good idea. LSUA is growing as well. Find a way to get RPSB to be an attractive place for both promising teachers as well as families that want kids. Families that realize they can't stomach putting them in public school in Louisiana. Change that.
Put money into better resources for the schools. Figure out why the schools are struggling. Is it a certain demographic (it is)? Dig deeper and find out what's going on. You can't change an entire culture, but if most of that demographic is strung out (they are), fix the issue. Look at other cities who have had success with their drug and homeless issues. I don't know what cities those are in particular, but I'd go digging.
I don't know, I'm not on city council or the police jury, I'm not the mayor. But with no true natural resource advantage, I would personally start with education in an attempt to get smart people with children to call this place home for 18 years. Once you do that, figure out how to make those kids feel safe and have a good childhood with hometown pride.
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Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:29 am to Odysseus32
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How does that change? I don't know. My first thought is that there is nothing here that distinguishes this place from more northern LA cities. One asset is Timber. You have some ports with the Red River. You could argue sugarcane, but that's more South.
The most valuable asset that LA has right now is the perfect pore space for carbon sequestration. It can’t happen in most places, but we have the perfect pore space for it, and we can make big money for it at almost zero risk. Or you can hope that our trees or sugarcane suddenly become more valuable
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:36 am to Odysseus32
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I don't know, I'm not on city council or the police jury, I'm not the mayor.
Former Congressman Clyde Holloway (RIP) once said anyone who in invested in their community should run for office at least once in their life. Even if they don't win.
You seem to be invested in and have a genuine interest in seeing your community/parish be the best it can for its residents. I would encourage you to run for local office. Even of all it does is allow you to meet a shitton of people you otherwise wouldn't and to share your ideas.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:41 am to Horsemeat
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fly on private jets from place to place
But, but, but....important folk are too busy to and we shouldn't expect them to stand in line at the United counter. I know this because Bernie told me.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:42 am to ragincajun03
Louisiana is the perfect dumping ground for the rest of the country
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:46 am to Upperdecker
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almost zero risk.
I’m not anti growth. I’ve been called liberal on this board more times than I care to admit.
But I just do not believe this for even a single second. Everything carries risk, there is no free lunch.
I’d ask these same people if they would live on top of the carbon they are capturing. If they would drink the tap water. I don’t mean own a home in that area. I mean live there. Raise kids. Eat crops from the ground there.
I don’t know their answer and I don’t know that they would tell the truth but I’d be really curious to hear it.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:47 am to ragincajun03
People trying to get rich off climate change with these schemes are a joke.
But so is Chuck Owen. Demanding more diligence in any decision affecting Vernon Parish is prudent.
The fact that he couldn’t corral more support from fellow republicans to support his initiative must sting. He’s politically impotent and this clearly shows it. So instead what does he do?
He quickly turns into talking about leftists and left wingers like some clown trying to deflect responsibility and drum up donations.
Most politicians are self serving clowns, Louisiana seems to have more than its fair share and Charles Owen is absolutely one.
But so is Chuck Owen. Demanding more diligence in any decision affecting Vernon Parish is prudent.
The fact that he couldn’t corral more support from fellow republicans to support his initiative must sting. He’s politically impotent and this clearly shows it. So instead what does he do?
He quickly turns into talking about leftists and left wingers like some clown trying to deflect responsibility and drum up donations.
Most politicians are self serving clowns, Louisiana seems to have more than its fair share and Charles Owen is absolutely one.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:15 pm to Odysseus32
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I’d ask these same people if they would live on top of the carbon they are capturing. If they would drink the tap water. I don’t mean own a home in that area. I mean live there. Raise kids. Eat crops from the ground there.
You can look up the research on this and results from existing sequestration sites. It’s being stored 1000s of feet below your water table or aquifers. It solidifies and doesn’t penetrate the rock around the pore space. You’d ask these questions of them and the research doesn’t indicate any of the issues you’re concerned about. Meanwhile most people against CO2 sequestration are in favor of fracking, which does actually cause issues to all of the things you’re concerned about
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:40 pm to Upperdecker
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The most valuable asset that LA has right now is the perfect pore space for carbon sequestration. It can’t happen in most places, but we have the perfect pore space for it, and we can make big money for it at almost zero risk. Or you can hope that our trees or sugarcane suddenly become more valuable
Can someone explain these spaces? Where they formally holders of oil/gas? Is there anything special about Vernon Parish? What makes LA different from other areas? Pictures would be nice. Thanks.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:41 pm to ragincajun03
Maybe one day, but I’ve got too much of my own shite to figure out before anyone should trust me with any sort of input on policy.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:49 pm to Kingpenm3
Using Gemini to make it easier, but this checks out from what I’ve seen. This is why LA generally has ideal pore space. I’m sure the same applies for Vernon parish
Numerous sources confirm the same.
Other factors that make LA good are the existing industrial environment and infrastructure and regulatory frameworks
The spaces are actually just more porous rock. It’s not like a big hole in the ground. The porous rock fills up, chemical reaction occurs and the CO2 binds with it to solidify permanently. Happens in areas of the space over time so it doesn’t have to be full to solidify, so it’s progressively solidifying as it’s being filled. The hard cap rock has much smaller pores that don’t allow CO2 through, so it creates a barrier to the progression of the vapor before it solidifies
The biggest concern is leak points prior to solidification. These have to be identified in the permit along with a plan for remediation. Most of them are old O&G wells that weren’t plugged and were left abandoned by bankrupt O&G companies. The government has wisened up and any CO2 permit will require the company sealing the well even if they go bankrupt and no longer use the well.
The biggest concern I’ve heard about losing containment of CO2 is horizontal loss of containment, not moving vertically towards the surface. Basically the lease only covers a certain horizontal area like a real estate plot. If you go outside that area, you end up in someone else’s mineral rights and things can go into lawsuits and settlements. But it’s not actually a risk to the neighbor plots on the surface
Good pic from Wikipedia with an accurate scale for representation. Note that some companies are using abandoned O&G reservoirs, but similar concepts apply. Those have a purpose to extend those reservoirs by forcing out the remaining oil when closer to depletion
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1. Ideal Geology for Storage:
* Porous Rock Formations: Louisiana has extensive deep subsurface geology with thick layers of porous sandstones. These formations have excellent porosity and permeability, making them ideal for injecting and storing large volumes of CO2.
* Confining Layers (Caprock): Crucially, these porous layers are typically overlain and underlain by thousands of feet of impermeable rock, such as shale and clay. This "caprock" acts as a seal, preventing the injected CO2 from escaping upwards and ensuring its permanent containment.
* Deep Saline Aquifers: The state has numerous deep saline aquifers, where the naturally occurring water is too salty for human use. These are prime locations for CO2 injection, as they are often thousands of feet below freshwater aquifers, minimizing the risk of contamination.
* Low Seismic Activity: Louisiana generally experiences minimal seismic activity, which is crucial for the long-term stability and security of CO2 storage sites.
* Trapping Mechanisms: The geological formations in Louisiana allow for various CO2 trapping mechanisms, including:
* Structural trapping: Low-permeability rocks act as barriers.
* Residual trapping: CO2 gets trapped in tiny pore spaces.
* Solution trapping: CO2 dissolves into the salty formation water.
* Mineral trapping: CO2 can react with rocks to form new minerals.
Numerous sources confirm the same.
Other factors that make LA good are the existing industrial environment and infrastructure and regulatory frameworks
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Can someone explain these spaces? Where they formally holders of oil/gas?
The spaces are actually just more porous rock. It’s not like a big hole in the ground. The porous rock fills up, chemical reaction occurs and the CO2 binds with it to solidify permanently. Happens in areas of the space over time so it doesn’t have to be full to solidify, so it’s progressively solidifying as it’s being filled. The hard cap rock has much smaller pores that don’t allow CO2 through, so it creates a barrier to the progression of the vapor before it solidifies
The biggest concern is leak points prior to solidification. These have to be identified in the permit along with a plan for remediation. Most of them are old O&G wells that weren’t plugged and were left abandoned by bankrupt O&G companies. The government has wisened up and any CO2 permit will require the company sealing the well even if they go bankrupt and no longer use the well.
The biggest concern I’ve heard about losing containment of CO2 is horizontal loss of containment, not moving vertically towards the surface. Basically the lease only covers a certain horizontal area like a real estate plot. If you go outside that area, you end up in someone else’s mineral rights and things can go into lawsuits and settlements. But it’s not actually a risk to the neighbor plots on the surface
Good pic from Wikipedia with an accurate scale for representation. Note that some companies are using abandoned O&G reservoirs, but similar concepts apply. Those have a purpose to extend those reservoirs by forcing out the remaining oil when closer to depletion
This post was edited on 7/12/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:23 pm to Upperdecker
I’m thinking health? You don’t think harmful? And I ld read we will be subsidizing the Meta and our electricity bills will increase? Then I read we may not have to?
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:33 pm to Kingpenm3
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Can someone explain these spaces? Where they formally holders of oil/gas?
I think at this stage of the game, different companies getting into the CCSU industry space may have different philosophies on this. I will say that one of the negatives of going into a depleted oilfield is that in order to get the ClassVI permit approved, the CCSU applicant has to be willing to go in and replug all the old wellbores that don’t meet the standard required by the EPA to approve the sequestration permit. They have to make sure CO2 won’t seep up to the surface from those old wellbores.
If you have a bunch of them to replug because you’re sequestering into an old, prominent field, that can get VERY expensive. A project that already is reliant on tax credits for ROI can’t take on too many extra expensive stipulations like that.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 2:13 pm to Horsemeat
quote:CO2 is trash? This isn't a landfill
Burying our trash underground in our backyards so the elites that don't live here can fly on private jets from place to place acting smug about their zero emissions manufacturing. frick each and every single one of these people.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 2:14 pm to Dixie2023
quote:Jesus this state will continue to be 49th and 50th in everything with residents that have your mindset
I wish the communities could fight it and win. And that Meta center, too. We don’t need either of these things.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 2:19 pm to TigerTatorTots
No, the state will remain 49th and 50th in all metrics if we adopt the mindset that every opportunity is one that should be taken.
Anytime shite like this comes around we get taken for a ride.
For as many salt of the earth people we have here we sure don’t like to work to make our communities better. We’d rather rely on outside businesses who promise the moon and then give us pig shite all the while telling us how lucky we are.
Anytime shite like this comes around we get taken for a ride.
For as many salt of the earth people we have here we sure don’t like to work to make our communities better. We’d rather rely on outside businesses who promise the moon and then give us pig shite all the while telling us how lucky we are.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 2:20 pm to ragincajun03
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Rep. Chuck Owen (R-Rosepine)
Where does Ethan Frye come down on this issue?
Posted on 7/12/25 at 2:20 pm to ragincajun03
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Rep. Chuck Owen (R-Rosepine)
Posted on 7/12/25 at 2:27 pm to ragincajun03
Coal is a buried carbon.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 2:44 pm to beerJeep
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Ohhhh yes! Renewable energy biomass fuel! Just like the British use with Drax! Those two big arse white balls next to the miss river bridge in BR? Those are filled with wood pellets that Drax loads onto diesel burning ships in the Mississippi river to transport the renewable energy all the way to Great Britain so they can feel good about themselves for using renewable energy… just ignore the required diesel powered shipping across the world to retrieve said biofuel
DRAX pumps millions into the US economy, and provides good paying jobs, both directly and indirectly. Not to mention their North American HQ is in Monroe. Say what you want about biomass, but it’s just another piece of the global energy supply.
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