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re: Justice Department Finds ‘Significant Failure’ in Uvalde Police Response

Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by Doctor Strangelove
Member since Feb 2018
3345 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:05 pm to
The FBI would have just set the school on fire, kids and all, ala Waco.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21281 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:13 pm to
The DOJ finding failure in anything is comical considering their recent failures to perform anything resembling "justice".
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21693 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:40 pm to
If only LEO were held to the same standards as their active duty counterparts, we would be seeing prosecutions for dereliction of duty, and cowardice, followed by dishonorable discharges and jail time.

Instead we will be seeing a lot of these clowns show up in neighboring municipalities with a raise and a new uniform with no consequences whatever.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 3:41 pm
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24083 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:42 pm to
Only took pedo joe's this long to determine that? Stupid freaking idiots.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
4606 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:44 pm to
One sentence. I hope they’ve all been fired and have lost their pensions.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
70974 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:47 pm to
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only LEO were held to the same standards as their active duty counterparts, we would be seeing prosecutions for dereliction of duty, and cowardice, followed by dishonorable discharges and jail time.


Wasn't there a high court ruling not that long ago that LEO do not have an obligation to do anything if it involves risking their own safety?
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30026 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:52 pm to
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Wonder how much this investigation cost taxpayers? Any amount is too much when it was clear as fricking day that they bitched out that day, and made the decision to protect themselves at the cost of those kid's lives.


While I understand the kneejerk reaction investigations/after action reviews like this are the very reason "everyone" knew what they did was wrong. This is just the sort of review that has produced guidelines and procedures that have help save numerous kids in these types of situations. This information becomes available to small town police forces who otherwise might be still working under pre-Columbine assumptions.

Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
9344 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 3:53 pm to
How much did this revelation cost tax payers?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
38942 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 4:16 pm to
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You mean it's bad when there's a guy shooting kids point blank and one of the responding officers is hanging out in the hall casually using hand sanitizer?


One of the cowards' wife was a teacher and was bleeding out while he sat there and did nothing.
Posted by Rabby
Member since Mar 2021
1490 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 4:50 pm to
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This is just the sort of review that has produced guidelines and procedures that have help save numerous kids in these types of situations.

Good point.
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This information becomes available to small town police forces who otherwise might be still working under pre-Columbine assumptions.

Shouldn't that ship have sailed following Virginia Tech? "Do whatever it takes to get to the bad guy and save lives" seems to be the doctrine since that event.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52904 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 4:55 pm to
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Shortly there after the Nashville police dropped that whack job with the quickness....no second thought, no standing around grab assing. They got the job done.


To be fair, no one knows how much Uvalde and the absolute shite they took publically played a role in that.

Not in the bravery and competence of execution departments, but it certainly could kill doubts and second guesses on the “go” order.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21693 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 6:01 pm to
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Wasn't there a high court ruling not that long ago that LEO do not have an obligation to do anything if it involves risking their own safety?


Yup, but that's only based on existing law. You could imagine the political pressure to keep it that way rather than doing the right thing and changing it.
Posted by Trapped in time
Member since Mar 2023
513 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 5:57 am to
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How much did this revelation cost tax payers?


This is a great thing to spend tax payer money on. With the amount of shootings going on if you have a complete failure in response you need to investigate and figure out what went wrong.

The option of “oh well I hope we do better next time” is unacceptable
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
68779 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:09 am to
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Uvalde


They took a page from the Broward cowards from Parkland and perfected their technique
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13337 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:15 am to
Everyone of them should be chastised and shamed out of every town they ever choose to reside in. You dont stand outside in the hallway while children are being slaughtered. frick every single one of them. Eating their guns would be too good for them if it were my choice.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
56884 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:24 am to
I'm reading it. There is good info in it.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31312 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:29 am to
Contrast that with the Memphis PD response. That body cam footage they released was incredible. Those baws showed up, grabbed rifles, stacked up and immediately went in clearing rooms. Once they discovered where that crazy MF was, they went right in and those cops ended it. Heroes. The whole video was around 5 mins.
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
9344 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:43 am to
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This is a great thing to spend tax payer money on.


The guy in charge told his officers to not go in.

How about go in and kill the guy killing kids. Pretty easy....and look at that....free.
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