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re: Justice Department Finds ‘Significant Failure’ in Uvalde Police Response
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:54 am to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:54 am to LegendInMyMind
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They shouldn't be. Didn't those involved in the Uvalde response just go through training for this exact scenario a few weeks or months prior?
If so hopefully someone has conducted an evaluation of the training...it is possible it was inadequate.
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:55 am to SPEEDY
You mean it's bad when there's a guy shooting kids point blank and one of the responding officers is hanging out in the hall casually using hand sanitizer?
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:55 am to SPEEDY
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Justice Department Finds ‘Significant Failure’ in Uvalde Police Response
Ya frickin think?
You didn’t need Sherlock Holmes for that one. Larry Holmes could have told you that.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:57 am to AwgustaDawg
Uvalde should end all discussion about arming teachers. If all those "trained" cops were unable to do something then what chance does a teacher have?
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:58 am to jcaz
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Especially the guy that had a shot at shooter walking into school but didn’t take it because he needed “permission”.
I wonder if the "shooter" was pointing their gun at them (the officer) ready to pull the trigger if he would still need "permission" to take the shot..
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:00 pm to tokenBoiler
And by the looks of 'em, hit the next buffet.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:04 pm to SPEEDY
If you have ever been around a critical incident like this you would know that one dude (usually one of the first there) will pick a course of action and follow-on people will arrive and listen to that guy solely because "he must know what's going on." It's a form of Group Think.
The really crazy part is that the ones who tried to break out of the Group Think and take action were physically restrained by other members of the group. The cowards were in control and were physically enforcing their lack of a response by not letting others move forward. IF they had let those guys make entry then they would have been forced to make entry too and put themselves at risk.
Which is why I hold the very first responders to the scene the most culpable. The guys who arrived once there were thirty or fifty officers in the building kind of had to believe what they were being told at that point.
From a tactical perspective, I still don't understand why someone didnt go outside and shoot this guy through a window. Every single school room I have ever been in has exterior windows. Everyone just stood around in that hallway. It isn't a giant leap of intellect to think "I am going to go outside and look in the room. There he is and BANG."
The really crazy part is that the ones who tried to break out of the Group Think and take action were physically restrained by other members of the group. The cowards were in control and were physically enforcing their lack of a response by not letting others move forward. IF they had let those guys make entry then they would have been forced to make entry too and put themselves at risk.
Which is why I hold the very first responders to the scene the most culpable. The guys who arrived once there were thirty or fifty officers in the building kind of had to believe what they were being told at that point.
From a tactical perspective, I still don't understand why someone didnt go outside and shoot this guy through a window. Every single school room I have ever been in has exterior windows. Everyone just stood around in that hallway. It isn't a giant leap of intellect to think "I am going to go outside and look in the room. There he is and BANG."
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:07 pm to SPEEDY
God please grant peace to those families, because this makes my blood boil. I cant imagine what the families think.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:11 pm to tokenBoiler
It took them 75 minutes before they enter the room where the victims were trapped
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:17 pm to Purplehaze
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If all those "trained" cops were unable to do something then what chance does a teacher have?
If the teacher isn't a sniveling coward? Probably could save lives. I know, I know, your room temperature IQ doesn't allow you such a nuanced idea but there are examples of armed teachers/faculty responding and stopping such shootings.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:28 pm to SPEEDY
Standing out there listening to kids getting slaughtered
I don’t know how the cops sleep at night
I don’t know how the cops sleep at night
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:38 pm to SPEEDY
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a near-total breakdown in policing protocols hindered the response
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The nearly 600-page report
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15,000 documents and videos
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376 law enforcement officers descended upon the school
Don’t worry, the NYT made sure to let us know the biggest problem that day has already been addressed:
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helped spur passage of new federal gun control legislation
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:43 pm to AwgustaDawg
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If so hopefully someone has conducted an evaluation of the training...it is possible it was inadequate.
If I recall, they were trained properly.
The problem is they apparently classified this as a hostage situation, which means a standoff instead of rushing in with overwhelming force.
Which is fricking crazy if they’re hearing gunshots from the classrooms.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:55 pm to SPEEDY
Every single member of that department should be known publicly and shamed for the rest of their lives. Their grandkids should want to change their last names.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:18 pm to Purplehaze
quote:if he's shooting the lock off the door to barge in, I'd say pretty damn good. better than tucking under a desk.
If all those "trained" cops were unable to do something then what chance does a teacher have?
quote:no it shouldn't. you can always tell something about a person's intelligence when they speak in moral, self-righteous, false platitudes.
Uvalde should end all discussion about arming teachers.
over 41% of mass shootings in 2022 were prevented by armed civilians, and when gun free zones are excluded, it was over 60%. millions of crimes are prevented every year by good guys with a gun, and if a non-binary, lgbtq tranny freak is shooting the door down to my child's classroom to murder them because they're white Christians, then I'd prefer the teacher have a fighting chance- assuming the cowardly son of a bitch doing the shooting would even try it if they knew it was a hard target. we saw in the case of the Nashville school shooter that it factored in to who died that day because they were Christians located in a soft target area.
so, no, the case is most certainly not closed on who shouldn't be allowed a God-given right to defend themselves, just because a bunch of cowards from the police state decided to have a chuckle while sanitizing their hands as a shooter murdered the children of the parents outside- who would've gladly went in and gave him a go.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:24 pm to Purplehaze
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should end all discussion about arming teachers.
Wtf??? It does the total opposite.
I had many vereran teachers at school. One was a colonel, with a few purple hearts and IIRC a silver star. He could have been at that school at 85 years old with a single action .22 revolver and stopped this shite right quick and in a hurry.
In Uvalde, the police were far more of a problem than a solution. Armed citizens is THE answer. The government isnt going to protect you.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:24 pm to SPEEDY
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Justice Department Finds ‘Significant Failure’ in Uvalde Police Response
You don't say....
Posted on 1/18/24 at 2:05 pm to SPEEDY
If any of them are still cops there they should have to spend every single shift “guarding” the graves of the kids
Posted on 1/18/24 at 2:21 pm to Purplehaze
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Uvalde should end all discussion about arming teachers. If all those "trained" cops were unable to do something then what chance does a teacher have?
Never been a proponent of arming teachers but I ain't so sure Uvalde would be the turning point for many folks to head toward the not arming teachers side.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 2:40 pm to SPEEDY
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represents the most comprehensive assessment of a killing spree that helped spur passage of new federal gun control legislation and continues to haunt a community traumatized by the slaughter and the inadequacy of the police response.
So in response to horrific shootings, the government response not only violates the COTUS but doesnt address the issue.
Which is standard operating procedure in this country
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