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re: Joseph Rosenbaum, the man shot in the head by the 17 year old
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:08 am to TruBrew
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:08 am to TruBrew
quote:You have the right to defend yourself with deadly force if you feel your life's in danger, and the courts rule that to be a reasonable perception.
Yea, how does any of this make him less guilty of the crime he committed?
Guy in BR shooting a panhandler in a parking lot might be in trouble.
Guy in this Wisconsin case was being chased in the street by a group of people who were looting and tearing shite up, with one of them screaming "shoot me n****r" at him, and coming to jump on him when he was down.
I can't believe anyone would NOT fear that their life was in serious danger at that time. I certainly would.
The ONLY angle that can get him in trouble, would be -why is he out there with a rifle in the first place. I do understand that they were apparently trying to protect a business, but I don't know that the law allows you to do that.
Even though the police clearly weren't going to protect and serve the public.
This is just such a horrible thing. Even if he's totally cleared, no 17 yr old should have to deal with the emotional trauma of having to shoot a man in self-defense in that type of circumstance, IN AMERICA. The police and the city need to be sued shitless for dereliction of duty or whatever it can be called. This wouldn't happen if they had done what our taxes pay them to do.
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:13 am to madmaxvol
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Holy crap...the kid shot the guy in the act of sexually assaulting someone? That changes everything. If not, then what is the correlation?
It just helps to underscore what a piece of shite Rosembaum was.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:13 am to madmaxvol
quote:
Holy crap...the kid shot the guy in the act of sexually assaulting someone? That changes everything. If not, then what is the correlation?
Imagine that your politics has you defending sex offenders
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:14 am to TruBrew
quote:
Yea, how does any of this make him less guilty of the crime he committed?
What crime did he commit?
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:18 am to Scoob
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I do understand that they were apparently trying to protect a business, but I don't know that the law allows you to do that.
When he fired his rifle, he wasn't protecting a business or property, he was attempting to flee from a mob of people.
The only legal issue at hand is that he is apparently 17 and open carry laws specify you have to be 18. It will just be a misdemeanor for him, but his parents (or whoever provided the rifle) may get hit with a felony.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:23 am to Scoob
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The ONLY angle that can get him in trouble, would be -why is he out there with a rifle in the first place.
I made a timeline (with videos) in this post. From it the only thing that's in question is: why was Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse in the first place?
Over on Poli AggieHank made a thread discussing the law in regards to protecting your own property versus that of protecting the property of others in the eyes of the law (part of his caveat was admitting he didn't know WI law on this) and the aspect of Rittenhouse being the "aggressor". Just from what we can glean from the videos I disagree with Rittenhouse being tagged as the aggressor, but rather see that as Rosenbaum's role (especially since we see Rosenbaum daring people to shoot him then the next thing we see is him chasing Rittenhouse).
With that all said, I think the only angle Rittenhouse has to worry about is what happened between the time of Rosenbaum mouthing off and Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse. What caused that will probably be the determinant in whether Rittenhouse walks or not.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:23 am to Bard
There's a real concern with blaming the victim. That happened to Botham Jean, and to some extent with Ahmed Arbery.
But at the same time, a "victim's" prior criminal conduct is often useful for the social discussion of an event. We have grainy video of Rosenbaum chasing down the kid, but we don't know what happened. But to me this makes it somewhat more likely we'll learn Rosenbaum did or said something that sparked fear of great bodily harm/death for the kid. He's a sex criminal who was on camera begging to be shot (in batshit crazy fashion) earlier in the day. Thus far, the picture we're getting of him is one of a somewhat deranged guy with a history of sex crimes.
The facts are the facts and the prior criminal history isn't determinative to what actually transpired. But it's perfectly relevant for our discussions of what those facts may ultimately turn out to look like while we want for information to be released. And, although it isn't supposed to work like this, in an environment where partisan DAs cannot be trusted, this type of thing may be useful in rebutting false narratives presented by authorities. For example, in the Brooks shooting, the DA absurdly presented Brooks as peaceful and blamed officers for the escalation when Brooks clearly initiated it. And the background of Brooks as a criminal who would have reason to fight the cops and try to escape became very relevant there to confront the DA's lies.
But at the same time, a "victim's" prior criminal conduct is often useful for the social discussion of an event. We have grainy video of Rosenbaum chasing down the kid, but we don't know what happened. But to me this makes it somewhat more likely we'll learn Rosenbaum did or said something that sparked fear of great bodily harm/death for the kid. He's a sex criminal who was on camera begging to be shot (in batshit crazy fashion) earlier in the day. Thus far, the picture we're getting of him is one of a somewhat deranged guy with a history of sex crimes.
The facts are the facts and the prior criminal history isn't determinative to what actually transpired. But it's perfectly relevant for our discussions of what those facts may ultimately turn out to look like while we want for information to be released. And, although it isn't supposed to work like this, in an environment where partisan DAs cannot be trusted, this type of thing may be useful in rebutting false narratives presented by authorities. For example, in the Brooks shooting, the DA absurdly presented Brooks as peaceful and blamed officers for the escalation when Brooks clearly initiated it. And the background of Brooks as a criminal who would have reason to fight the cops and try to escape became very relevant there to confront the DA's lies.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:24 am to sand mountainDvalues
Imagine being 36 and out rioting / anarching
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:31 am to Scoob
quote:
The ONLY angle that can get him in trouble, would be -why is he out there with a rifle in the first place
That wouldn't matter unless they can get multiple witnesses to testify he was threating people with it or such.
He will get some gun charges i'm sure but nothing else
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:32 am to DownSouthCrawfish
quote:
Kyle is going to walk
to prison
Not likely, the odds are greatly against successful prosecution by the State.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:33 am to Pettifogger
quote:
But to me this makes it somewhat more likely we'll learn Rosenbaum did or said something that sparked fear of great bodily harm/death for the kid.
Check my timeline post on Page 4. Prior to the chase, Rosenbaum is seen in a very aggressive stance, daring people to shoot him (I believe Rittenhouse was in that group Rosembaum was threatening). What we don't know is what happened between that video and the video that starts with Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse (ie: the event that triggered the chase).
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For example, in the Brooks shooting, the DA absurdly presented Brooks as peaceful and blamed officers for the escalation when Brooks clearly initiated it. And the background of Brooks as a criminal who would have reason to fight the cops and try to escape became very relevant there to confront the DA's lies.
Agreed. They were called in the first place because of Brooks' current violent behavior. As they were en route they learned he had warrants out for past violent crimes.
According to police reports (which should end up being corroborated by bodycam), Brooks was brandishing a knife when they arrived, shrugged off the Tazers, then stated he had a gun in his vehicle, stated he was going to get it, then walked around the vehicle and reached into it.
If the cameras show all of this, there is absolutely no case against the officers.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 11:37 am
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:04 pm to madmaxvol
quote:
Holy crap...the kid shot the guy in the act of sexually assaulting someone? That changes everything. If not, then what is the correlation?
The only good cockroach is a dead cockroach?
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:10 pm to sand mountainDvalues
angry pedo midget
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:15 pm to HeadSlash
quote:
dead angry pedo midget
FIFY
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:25 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:First I heard of confirmation of at least 1 other gun being discharged. I definitely heard it on the videos but it was never confirmed until now.
There's a good breakdown of everything by the NYT that shows an unknown person firing a handgun nearby the area where Rittenhouse was being chased by Rosenbaum.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:26 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
Holy crap...the kid shot the guy in the act of sexually assaulting someone? That changes everything. If not, then what is the correlation?
quote:
Imagine that your politics has you defending sex offenders
I am a registered voter with the Republican party (have been since my first Presidential Election in 1988). The guy obviously did things that were illegal and apparently he served time for it. The kid who shot him, probably didn't do a background check to say, "well, this guy was charged with Statutory Rape...so it should be ok to shoot him." Citizens just can't go around shooting people because they are uncomfortable and happen to have a gun. I support the rule of law, enforced by law enforcement.
If you travel out of your hometown with a rifle and shoot someone...you are probably looking for an excuse to go somewhere and shoot someone. All you have done is make it even harder for the police to get their job done. Well...that, and encourage the other side to start packing as well. This has escalated the problem, because the kid was a dumbass.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:27 pm to sand mountainDvalues
Chris Kyle Writtenhouse 
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:28 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
Imagine that your politics has you defending sex offenders
Well, we've seen the most rabid "#Me-too-ers" completely forget about victims of sexual assault in regards to Joe Biden's credible accuser.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:28 pm to CAD703X
quote:
The only good cockroach is a dead cockroach?
When you are holding a hammer...everything looks like a nail.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:29 pm to madmaxvol
quote:
I am a registered voter with the Republican party
Every single time.
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