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re: Jordan Peterson doodles while debating a BBC female journalist
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:03 am to weedGOKU666
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:03 am to weedGOKU666
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People love to hear someone with intellectual authority tell them their actions/behaviors that aren’t acceptable to polite society are totally normal or natural. It helps them feel justified and actively dissuades genuine inward reflection and improvement. Peterson “gets away” with this by claiming he’s “just stating facts”. Which he kinda is, usually.
Right, because Peterson's whole sctick doesn't come down to basically genuinely reflect on your own flaws and how you can improve yourself and the world around you. Nooo, it's really about telling incels they are justified in their bitterness and resentment.
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A lot of what he says isn’t technically wrong, and his writings and such can often have some helpful (albeit generic) life advice nuggets within. But, make no mistake, he knows when he preaches hierarchy stuff he’s just saying what certain disaffected groups wanna hear so they can feel better about their undeserved sense of superiority.
Right, he's not really emphasizing the individual over the group identity, truth over lies, or responsibility over your own situation over resentment against the world. He's just secretly trying to make those "angry young white men" happy, because reasons.
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His real genius is how he’s captured this particular audience and is making a fricking killing taking their money.
Jealously is not very becoming.
Maybe you need to go clean your room bucko, before you try to criticize a man you obviously know very little about besides what your preconceived notions tell you.
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:16 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Jordan Peterson
His interview on the Joe Rogan podcast is worth a watch.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:26 am to Ross
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As Peterson says constantly and should be common sense, the latter is desirable and the former is only possible through government tyranny which is undesirable.
Not only is it undesirable, it's untenable. Forced equality of outcome can only lead to the equal sharing of misery.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:41 am to TigerNutwhack
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Maybe you need to go clean your room bucko
How anyone can hate on the man who encourages responsibility of self, behaving in a positive and actually virtuous manner, and for a re-embrace of traditional masculine values blows my mind.
Peterson has genuinely encouraged me to be a better man. My wife, kids, and co-workers benefit from this.
Room status:Cleaned.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:15 pm to boxcarbarney
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Forced equality of outcome can only lead to the equal sharing of misery.
He said on an interview recently, can’t remember with who, Venezuela shows what equality of outcome leads to. Everybody has the equal opportunity to starve to death.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:21 pm to Jcorye1
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chuckle how she proved his point
These women that interview him do tremendous damage to the credibility of the feminist movement. And rightfully so. They are terrible people who are going to cause massive problems if they aren’t marginalized.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:00 pm to boxcarbarney
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His interview on the Joe Rogan podcast is worth a watch.
Yeah it was great. Rohan does a pretty good job of interviewing people. Even though I don’t listen to his podcasts very often because he’s too conspiratorial for my taste and I think he’s a slight bullshitter, too.
But that interview was very good.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:14 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Isn't this the forced monogamy dude?
*enforced, and yes
which has statistical backing
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:14 pm to TigerNutwhack
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Right, he's not really emphasizing the individual over the group identity, truth over lies, or responsibility over your own situation over resentment against the world. He's just secretly trying to make those "angry young white men" happy, because reasons.
He has, I’m sure, many millions of reasons to “ease” the anxiety of these folks.
And I’m gonna use one of Peterson’s favorite tricks here: y’all grossly misunderstood what I was saying. Peterson isn’t directly justifying this kind of behavior - he doesn’t have to. He enables his rabid fan base to justify it to themselves. All the while, he can constantly counter criticism with a casual “that’s not what I said at all”.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:28 pm to weedGOKU666
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And I’m gonna use one of Peterson’s favorite tricks here: y’all grossly misunderstood what I was saying. Peterson isn’t directly justifying this kind of behavior - he doesn’t have to. He enables his rabid fan base to justify it to themselves.
That's like saying it is inherently immoral to point out that black people murder each other at higher rates than white people.
The person making the statement is simply presenting a fact. They have no control over how people wish to interpret that fact. If a person chooses to interpret that fact to justify prejudiced/racist beliefs, then so be it. It does not nullify the validity of the fact.
Your argument borders frighteningly close to censorship. You are essentially saying that you don't like what Peterson is saying because of how people may choose to interpret him.
You won't respond to his message directly, and instead you attack how you believe people may respond to his message.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:31 pm to ThePoo
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His fame is based on the fact that he is calm, rational, and causes people to think. That is what is sad. That society is so anxious, tense, and media is so eager for the got ya moment you can become famous for being composed. Composure as become so foreign to the modern media that we find it fascinating as an audience
Solid thought and very astute observation. Thanks, The Poo.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:32 pm to weedGOKU666
Also, to the guy that said Peterson is accessible to the layman
lmao
lmao
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:35 pm to UGATiger26
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Your argument borders frighteningly close to censorship. You are essentially saying that you don't like what Peterson is saying because of how people may choose to interpret him.
You won't respond to his message directly, and instead you attack how you believe people may respond to his message.
The progressive social justice idealogy
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:38 pm to weedGOKU666
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lmao
You should've quit while you were ahead. Now you're showing your arse.
Lol. So you found a complex diagram in one of Peterson's most comprehensive and academic pieces of work? And that means laymen can't understand his message?
That's like saying an MIT mathematician can't teach high school calculus.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:39 pm to weedGOKU666
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He has, I’m sure, many millions of reasons to “ease” the anxiety of these folks.
Lazy and dishonest rebuttal. Note what someone said on the page before, that Peterson has been basically saying the same thing for decades and it's well documented.
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And I’m gonna use one of Peterson’s favorite tricks here: y’all grossly misunderstood what I was saying. Peterson isn’t directly justifying this kind of behavior - he doesn’t have to. He enables his rabid fan base to justify it to themselves.
How exactly? You assert this with zero evidence to back it up and mounds to discredit it. And I don't think anyone misunderstood you, as your jab is neither clever nor original.
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All the while, he can constantly counter criticism with a casual “that’s not what I said at all”.
If he's being misunderstood purposefully and dishonestly, why is that not the proper response?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:40 pm to UGATiger26
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Your argument borders frighteningly close to censorship. You are essentially saying that you don't like what Peterson is saying because of how people may choose to interpret him.
You’ve grossly misunderstood my position. That’s not at all what I mean.
Man that’s fun to say.
I don’t wanna censor ya boy Kermit - he’s frickin hilarious. And seeing his followers fawn over his towering intellect tickles me to death, too.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:40 pm to weedGOKU666
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y’all grossly misunderstood what I was saying.
i'm going to quote it and ask a few questions.
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People love to hear someone with intellectual authority tell them their actions/behaviors that aren’t acceptable to polite society are totally normal or natural. It helps them feel justified and actively dissuades genuine inward reflection and improvement. Peterson “gets away” with this by claiming he’s “just stating facts”. Which he kinda is, usually.
A lot of what he says isn’t technically wrong, and his writings and such can often have some helpful (albeit generic) life advice nuggets within. But, make no mistake, he knows when he preaches hierarchy stuff he’s just saying what certain disaffected groups wanna hear so they can feel better about their undeserved sense of superiority.
His real genius is how he’s captured this particular audience and is making a fricking killing taking their money.
for the bolded part:
-what is "polite society"?
-what behaviors are you reference violate these
-standards? what improvement are you referencing?
for the underlined part:
-which groups?
-how is each group disaffected?
-what do these groups want to hear?
-why do they want to hear this?
-why do you feel their sense of self worth is undeserved?
-why do you feel their sense of self worth is "superior"? superior to what, exactly?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:40 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
I thought someone was debating Big Black Cock
Posted on 5/31/18 at 2:28 pm to Northshore Saint
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Jordan Peterson is not brilliant by any stretch of the imagination. He's a pseudo intellectual who throws together a fancy word salad duping some into believing he knows what he's talking about but he really doesn't if you actually listen to what he's saying. The fact that people think he's this great modern philosopher is hilarious and somewhat sad.
Oh I see. Peterson is such a pseudo-intellectual, but you couldn’t come up with a single example to support your conclusion?
I see this all the time with supposed critiques of Peterson. All ad hominem and no substance.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 2:41 pm to weedGOKU666
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People love to hear someone with intellectual authority tell them their actions/behaviors that aren’t acceptable to polite society are totally normal or natural. It helps them feel justified and actively dissuades genuine inward reflection and improvement.
This is exactly wrong. Any person who took home his most important beliefs took home the message of self improvement in the forms of assuming personal responsibility and making the lives of their friends and family more worthwhile.
Granted more people will acknowledge the wisdom of this as a goal than follow through to do productive things - but it is a very good starting point.
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But, make no mistake, he knows when he preaches hierarchy stuff he’s just saying what certain disaffected groups wanna hear so they can feel better about their undeserved sense of superiority.
This is again exactly wrong. He takes great care to point out that hierarchies are not innately good. Some can be extremely bad. Furthermore, he points out that the quality of an individual is a personal characteristic that is often completely or nearly completely stereotypically different from the group identifiers that individuals choose to identify with most strongly.
The group identifiers issue is a really important point. When you start to identify yourself by a small number of characteristics you assume a lot of commonality within those groups that is not safe to assume. At an individual level, responsibility can be adopted. At an individual level, identity emerges in a way that is much more valuable than a description based on race, gender, sex, religion, nationality, etc. The most valuable components of a human being (intellect, personality, value beliefs, moral sensibilities) are not determined by a description of those demographics.
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And I’m gonna use one of Peterson’s favorite tricks here: y’all grossly misunderstood what I was saying. Peterson isn’t directly justifying this kind of behavior - he doesn’t have to. He enables his rabid fan base to justify it to themselves. All the while, he can constantly counter criticism with a casual “that’s not what I said at all”.
The kind of behavior you seem to accuse him of mongering is the kind of behavior he rails against.
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