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re: Jordan Peterson doodles while debating a BBC female journalist
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:13 pm to weedGOKU666
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:13 pm to weedGOKU666
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tell them their actions/behaviors that aren’t acceptable to polite society are totally normal or natural. It helps them feel justified and actively dissuades genuine inward reflection and improvement.
What are these actions and behaviors that aren’t acceptable? Is taking responsibility for your own life unacceptable? Is doing what is meaningful and fulfilling over doing what is expedient unacceptable? Is being a man and being a strong person unacceptable?
His ideas resonate so well with men my age because society now constantly screams that a man’s active engagement with the world is what’s causing the tyranny and oppression. The reason his ideas resonate so well with men my age is because, for the most part, men are construed as the problem so much nowadays by your average postmodernist that they never hear this message.
He doesn’t pass the buck when it comes to people that do act like tyrants, he’s trying to fill a void that young men are so clearly needing and dying for because people like you believe that men are the problem.
LINK
He speaks about this exact topic in this video on Abraham from the Bible, watch until about 27:25 in the video.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:35 pm to weedGOKU666
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He has, I’m sure, many millions of reasons to “ease” the anxiety of these folks.
There is so much wrong with everything you've posted it is almost difficult to find a starting point but I'll arbitrarily select here
His lecture series on Youtube is available to watch free of charge. There is no ad revenue collected on it. If he was only interested in money, this wouldn't be the case.
Furthermore, there is absolutely nothing wrong with him being compensated through the selling of his book. This again seems like common sense to me, of course he has additional incentive with helping people understand how to make better life choices if he is compensated for the time taken to write down the advice in an easy-to-read form.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:37 pm to Ross
it's an ad hom meme
ever since the incel stuff became popular with the anti-JP crowd, and when peterson discussed it, they attack him as a savior of a bunch of rejects who are paying him tons of money every month via his patreon. it's a way to attack him by making anyone who follows him seem extreme and crazy (a guilt by association)
ever since the incel stuff became popular with the anti-JP crowd, and when peterson discussed it, they attack him as a savior of a bunch of rejects who are paying him tons of money every month via his patreon. it's a way to attack him by making anyone who follows him seem extreme and crazy (a guilt by association)
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
I might give Peterson's podcast a listen. Never heard him debate or speak before.
Where should I start? Also, is he super religious? That's not really my thing and I won't be able to relate to that.
Where should I start? Also, is he super religious? That's not really my thing and I won't be able to relate to that.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:41 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Is there another copy of the video somewhere? it says it was deleted.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:41 pm to TheCaterpillar
i don't think he's that religious but he has a lecture series discussing religion and philosophy
honestly, listening to his class lectures is probably the best bet
how to live a meaningful life
honestly, listening to his class lectures is probably the best bet
how to live a meaningful life
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's a way to attack him by making anyone who follows him seem extreme and crazy (a guilt by association)
for all of the arrogance exuded by this guy and people like him, it's ironic that this tactic is so widespread among their discussions, as such a tactic could only ever work on simpletons.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't think he's that religious but he has a lecture series discussing religion and philosophy
honestly, listening to his class lectures is probably the best bet
how to live a meaningful life
I can handle religious discussions and in fact enjoy them if they aren't coming from a biased angle. Had a great history professor in college that did this well.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:55 pm to TheCaterpillar
He does a series on the book of Genesis, it's done very well, I believe Christians and non-Christians would enjoy it.
I haven't listened to all of his other podcasts but his maps of meaning series is great as well as his lectures. I'd say just dive on in, though. But I'd start at the beginning of any series and just go from there.
I haven't listened to all of his other podcasts but his maps of meaning series is great as well as his lectures. I'd say just dive on in, though. But I'd start at the beginning of any series and just go from there.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
I watched that one a few weeks ago.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 6:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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ever since the incel stuff became popular with the anti-JP crowd, and when peterson discussed it, they attack him as a savior of a bunch of rejects who are paying him tons of money every month via his patreon. it's a way to attack him by making anyone who follows him seem extreme and crazy (a guilt by association
Even putting aside his hierarchical stuff that these loons attach their self-worth to, I still don’t find much of what Peterson has to say in the self-help realm to be innovative or interesting. It’s mostly really generic self-improvement maxims that you can find in probably a dozen other books.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:25 pm to weedGOKU666
I've noticed that you don't really give any specific examples of what you disagree with, just generalizations of how he's some sort of generic Tony Robbins
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:24 pm to upgrayedd
Rule 1 Stand up straight with your shoulders back
Common body language trick. “Look good, play good”
Rule 2 Treat yourself like you would someone you are responsible for helping
This is just another way to describe self-care
Rule 3 Make friends with people who want the best for you
I actually prefer to befriend people that seek to undermine me at every pass but sure
Rule 4 Compare yourself with who you were yesterday, not with who someone else is today
I feel like I could attribute this as a quote to Wayne Gretzky or Ghandi and no one would bat an eye
Rule 5 Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them
Ok sure
Rule 6 Set your house in perfect order before you criticise the world
Let he who lives in a glass house cast the first stone ~~
Rule 7 Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)
But I like doing what is expedient because it’s generally easier!!
Rule 8 Tell the truth – or, at least, don’t lie
Thanks, Jordan
Rule 9 Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t
Listen to people, to learn things
Rule 10 Be precise in your speech
*Kermit the Frog voice* My mother, the dragon of chaos energy, was quite the surly broad
Rule 11 Do not bother children when they are skate-boarding
Be the cool parent!
Rule 12 Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street
I absolutely will
Common body language trick. “Look good, play good”
Rule 2 Treat yourself like you would someone you are responsible for helping
This is just another way to describe self-care
Rule 3 Make friends with people who want the best for you
I actually prefer to befriend people that seek to undermine me at every pass but sure
Rule 4 Compare yourself with who you were yesterday, not with who someone else is today
I feel like I could attribute this as a quote to Wayne Gretzky or Ghandi and no one would bat an eye
Rule 5 Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them
Ok sure
Rule 6 Set your house in perfect order before you criticise the world
Let he who lives in a glass house cast the first stone ~~
Rule 7 Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)
But I like doing what is expedient because it’s generally easier!!
Rule 8 Tell the truth – or, at least, don’t lie
Thanks, Jordan
Rule 9 Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t
Listen to people, to learn things
Rule 10 Be precise in your speech
*Kermit the Frog voice* My mother, the dragon of chaos energy, was quite the surly broad
Rule 11 Do not bother children when they are skate-boarding
Be the cool parent!
Rule 12 Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street
I absolutely will
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:12 pm to weedGOKU666
My God you are insufferable
I’m sure you are aware that the titles of the book chapters are referenced as imagery for its core messages.
Your complaints against Peterson strike me as contrived and, much like the other detractor, you strike me as someone motivated not for an intellectual pursuit of truth, but for the pursuit of political hackery.
I’m sure you are aware that the titles of the book chapters are referenced as imagery for its core messages.
Your complaints against Peterson strike me as contrived and, much like the other detractor, you strike me as someone motivated not for an intellectual pursuit of truth, but for the pursuit of political hackery.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 6/5/18 at 11:10 am to weedGOKU666
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weedGOKU666
You are some kind of stupid.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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y’all grossly misunderstood what I was saying.
i'm going to quote it and ask a few questions.
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People love to hear someone with intellectual authority tell them their actions/behaviors that aren’t acceptable to polite society are totally normal or natural. It helps them feel justified and actively dissuades genuine inward reflection and improvement. Peterson “gets away” with this by claiming he’s “just stating facts”. Which he kinda is, usually.
A lot of what he says isn’t technically wrong, and his writings and such can often have some helpful (albeit generic) life advice nuggets within. But, make no mistake, he knows when he preaches hierarchy stuff he’s just saying what certain disaffected groups wanna hear so they can feel better about their undeserved sense of superiority.
His real genius is how he’s captured this particular audience and is making a fricking killing taking their money.
for the bolded part:
-what is "polite society"?
-what behaviors are you reference violate these
-standards? what improvement are you referencing?
for the underlined part:
-which groups?
-how is each group disaffected?
-what do these groups want to hear?
-why do they want to hear this?
-why do you feel their sense of self worth is undeserved?
-why do you feel their sense of self worth is "superior"? superior to what, exactly?
Posted on 6/5/18 at 11:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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enforced, and yes which has statistical backing
I think everyone understands that two parent households work out better.
Why on earth would anyone want that "enforced" by some third party?
Posted on 6/5/18 at 11:23 am to JohnnyKilroy
I'm not sure anyone is striking a nerve to the far left right now like JP
You can tell, because the average American has no clue who he is yet every large left-leaning media outlet in the country is devoting disproportionate effort toward disparaging him.
You can tell, because the average American has no clue who he is yet every large left-leaning media outlet in the country is devoting disproportionate effort toward disparaging him.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 11:55 am to Pettifogger
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You can tell, because the average American has no clue who he is yet every large left-leaning media outlet in the country is devoting disproportionate effort toward disparaging him.
I think eventually if they can't break him or cause some type of backlash upon him they will eventually just ignore him.
The late night hosts and left leaning websites will find random right slanted YouTube videos and make fun of them, or they'll pick the low hanging fruit like Alex Jones and Fox News. But you never really see them mention Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Dave Rubin, etc because they don't want to open that door and give them more exposure.
I think Peterson will eventually get to that point when they realize they won't break him.
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