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re: Johnson & Johnson vaccine paused due to clotting concerns

Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:41 am to
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:41 am to
I got it Friday. When do I get my check?
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:42 am to
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So that means 0.00015% of the 4M doses given

And the same people who scoffed at the vaccine, saying that 99.5% survived it, are now deadly serious about a vaccine that 99.99995% had no clotting problems.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:42 am to
Also most drugs that have “long term” Side effects are drugs you take everyday or over a long period of time.
Posted by bikerack
NH
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:42 am to
Anyone know if these 6 cases are recent? I got the J&J shot early March so I am not concerned...just wondering if something changed recently with the vaccine...AFAIK the US is still getting it from overseas.

And I tend to agree with the poster that said it's probably way more than 6...

Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:44 am to
and almost all "long term" side effects give some type of indication within a few weeks

the "long term" side effects thing is just a mantra they repeat because they saw it on facebook

Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:44 am to
6 out of how many?
Posted by Cossatotjoe
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:44 am to
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But want to feel like they know a lot about a lot. This isn’t true and the fact that people believe mRNA will alter your genetic material is proof positive of this hypothesis


The instructions now contained within your cells to make them potentially are. Wouldn’t be much of a vaccine if the messenger RNA inserted within the cell to instruct it to manufacture the spike protein had an off switch would it?
Posted by 3nOut
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:44 am to
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Sure, one crafty, selfish person can wait, while almost everyone else gets vaccinated. They would fix the pandemic problem, and he could parasitically surf behind them


Or he could be a healthy 40 year old who has stayed in shape and taken vitamin D while still wearing a mask for over a year and losing a decent amount of financial gains in the process for the benefit of people who are scared or susceptible to the virus and delayed trying to get the vaccine for the sake of the elderly or first responders.

But you virtual signal away brochacho.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:45 am to
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To alllll the people trying to make us get these vaccines and called us science deniers and antivaxxers....go frick yourself.


I don’t necessarily think you are those.


I just think you are overall a fricking idiot in general
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:45 am to
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To alllll the people trying to make us get these vaccines and called us science deniers and antivaxxers....go frick yourself.


You’ve got to love the people who feel vindicated this morning. They’ve been warning about these “rushed” vaccines for months and now they think they’ve been vindicated. Never mind the fact the JNJ vaccine is built on one of the oldest vaccine platforms out there. Meanwhile, the “new” vaccines on mRNA platforms are substantially more effective and have shown to be quite safe.

The “rushed” vaccines are some of the best ones we’ve ever seen. Bravo to technology and science once again.
Posted by musick
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:45 am to
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And the same people who scoffed at the vaccine, saying that 99.5% survived it, are now deadly serious about a vaccine that 99.99995% had no clotting problems


This is golden and needs to be posted on every thread discussing this. I want to watch heads explode and people short circuit.
Posted by MikeBRLA
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Member since Jun 2005
16924 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:46 am to
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If everyone waited we would have to stay locked down


That’s for political reasons, not scientific reasons.

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and suffer hundreds of thousands more deaths


That’s simply false.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:46 am to
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6 out of how many?


6.9 million
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
40032 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:47 am to
You understand how immunity works right? Your white blood cells recognize the foreign body and attack it.

If the continued capability to do this is your standard for altering the genetic material of your cells, then every vaccine ever has altered your genetic material.
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:47 am to
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You’ve got to love the people who feel vindicated this morning. They’ve been warning about these “rushed” vaccines for months and now they think they’ve been vindicated. Never mind the fact the JNJ vaccine is built on one of the oldest vaccine platforms out there. Meanwhile, the “new” vaccines on mRNA platforms are substantially more effective and have shown to be quite safe.


everything about the mRNA vaccines say they are safer than traditional vaccines like the JNJ

but that doesn't stop the fear mongers
Posted by Cossatotjoe
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:48 am to
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Come again? Moderna is banned?


Banned is probably too strong a word. In Germany two weeks ago there were reports of some of the same issues with it, clotting, as there are with J&J here. And they recommended a halt on it just like they are with J&J.

Probably, no more relevant than the J&J vaccine but Germany has lots of big companies who want to make their own vaccines instead of getting one from Moderna.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
40032 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:48 am to
They won’t. Most people are laughing at this pause
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:49 am to
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Banned is probably too strong a word. In Germany two weeks ago there were reports of some of the same issues with it, clotting, as there are with J&J here. And they recommended a halt on it just like they are with J&J.


That was Astra Zeneca, not Moderna
Posted by Cossatotjoe
Member since Oct 2020
938 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:49 am to
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Nope, not semantics at all. It's a fact that the vaccine does not alter one's genetic code. Cluelessness is not excused by claiming semantics.


You’re absolutely correct. It just inserts a piece of RNA into that genetic code than then instructs the cell to manufacture a particular protein where no such instructions had existed within that genetic code before.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 7:50 am
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
51152 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:50 am to
Sounds like a major class action lawsuit against drug maker and govt since the govt has been pushing it non stop
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