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re: Joe Rogan interviews the pilot in the Nimitz/Tic Tac incident (pg 8: US Army weighs in)
Posted on 10/10/19 at 4:14 am to A Yankee
Posted on 10/10/19 at 4:14 am to A Yankee
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In a biblical worldview, we don’t expect alien life to exist. The Bible tells us Earth was formed to be inhabited and the other celestial bodies were created for signs, seasons, days, and years. It was to Earth that Jesus came to save us, not to another planet to save another race of beings.
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Posted on 10/10/19 at 4:21 am to A Yankee
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The idea of "extraterrestrial life" stems largely from a belief in evolution. Recall that in the evolutionary view, the earth is “just another planet”—one where the conditions just happened to be right for life to form and evolve. If there are countless billions of other planets in our galaxy, then surely at least a handful of these worlds have also had the right conditions. Extraterrestrial life is almost inevitable in an evolutionary worldview.
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However, the notion of alien life does not square well with Scripture. The earth is unique. God designed the earth for life (Isaiah 45:18). The other planets have an entirely different purpose than does the earth, and thus, they are designed differently. In Genesis 1 we read that God created plants on the earth on Day 3, birds to fly in the atmosphere and marine life to swim in the ocean on Day 5, and animals to inhabit the land on Day 6. Human beings were also made on Day 6 and were given dominion over the animals.
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There is no such description because the lights in the expanse were not designed to accommodate life. God gave care of the earth to man, but the heavens are the Lord’s (Psalm 115:16). From a biblical perspective, extraterrestrial life does not seem reasonable.
Seems to me the ones saying that Aliens (demons) exist, are the same one who believe in the Theory of Evolution, Anthropogenic climate change, and other pseudoscience.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:07 am to BeepNode
The Navy videos certainly opens the door to reasonable speculation for me.
The East coast run-ins said that these craft were out there for a few weeks, and would basically take up a stationary area for hours at a time. It seems like intervention from the pilots is what caused a response/change from the otherwise uneventful pattern. You could definitely reason that it might be autonomous. From the way they were described as behaving, observation/recording data wouldn't seem far-fetched.
It's hard to theorize too deeply into all of that, but, just from what is seen, I still have some bigger questions. While these craft are obviously capable of what looks like hypersonic speeds, what are they capable of in space? Interstellar travel is gonna be a complex task, so perhaps these craft are interplanetary with a much more capable, larger parent craft for interstellar travel.
Regarding contact, a highly advanced civilization could certainly look at us like ants, but I feel like if they have made it that far it was from making objectively sound decisions. Surely they would be capable of seeing our species having just reached a point of incredible advancement in the last century, being on the cusp of leaps forward in space travel and energy, and respecting that.
I really liked on the podcast when they were talking about propulsion, and how we as humans started at steam, leading the way to gas/diesel, then on to electric.. but basically by sucking things in and throwing them out the back. But what if some other species had a completely different path, one where maybe they discovered a completely different method and were devoted toward advancing it?
The East coast run-ins said that these craft were out there for a few weeks, and would basically take up a stationary area for hours at a time. It seems like intervention from the pilots is what caused a response/change from the otherwise uneventful pattern. You could definitely reason that it might be autonomous. From the way they were described as behaving, observation/recording data wouldn't seem far-fetched.
It's hard to theorize too deeply into all of that, but, just from what is seen, I still have some bigger questions. While these craft are obviously capable of what looks like hypersonic speeds, what are they capable of in space? Interstellar travel is gonna be a complex task, so perhaps these craft are interplanetary with a much more capable, larger parent craft for interstellar travel.
Regarding contact, a highly advanced civilization could certainly look at us like ants, but I feel like if they have made it that far it was from making objectively sound decisions. Surely they would be capable of seeing our species having just reached a point of incredible advancement in the last century, being on the cusp of leaps forward in space travel and energy, and respecting that.
I really liked on the podcast when they were talking about propulsion, and how we as humans started at steam, leading the way to gas/diesel, then on to electric.. but basically by sucking things in and throwing them out the back. But what if some other species had a completely different path, one where maybe they discovered a completely different method and were devoted toward advancing it?
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Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:31 am to GetEmTigers08
The UFOs that buzzed the Nimitz are ours.
The UFO went to the F-18s' predetermined rendezvous point. How did the UFO pilot/pilots know where this location was? A lucky guess? Did they read the F-18 pilots minds? No, the UFO pilot knew the rendezvous point because he/she was briefed for the exercise.
You guys don't trust the government for what they say on the surface. Why would you buy the Navy's narrative of the Nimitz encounter?
What's Donnie 9 inch's position?
He doesn't believe in UFOs because they aren't unidentified to him. And, of this Earth.
Concerning extertartials.
He doubts the extraterrestrial angle because there isn't sufficient evidence.
The Nimitz story UFO or UAP story is not an extraterrestrial event. Period.
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Fravor began a circular descent to approach the object.[13] As Fravor further descended, he reported that the object began ascending along a curved path, maintaining some distance from the F-18, mirroring its trajectory in opposite circles.[13][14] Fravor then made a more aggressive maneuver, plunging his fighter to aim below the object, but at this point the UFO accelerated and went out of sight in less than two seconds, leaving the pilots "pretty weirded out".[13][17] Subsequently, the two fighter jets began a new course to the combat air patrol (CAP) rendezvous point. "Within seconds" Princeton radioed the jets that the radar target had reappeared 60 miles (97 km) away at this predetermined rendezvous point. According to Popular Mechanics, a physical object would have had to move greater than 2,400 miles per hour (3,900 km/h) to cover that distance in the reported time. Two other jets went to investigate the new radar location, but "By the time the Super Hornets arrived [...] the object had already disappeared." Both F-18s then returned to Nimitz.[2
The UFO went to the F-18s' predetermined rendezvous point. How did the UFO pilot/pilots know where this location was? A lucky guess? Did they read the F-18 pilots minds? No, the UFO pilot knew the rendezvous point because he/she was briefed for the exercise.
You guys don't trust the government for what they say on the surface. Why would you buy the Navy's narrative of the Nimitz encounter?
What's Donnie 9 inch's position?
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Speaking with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos in an interview segment released Saturday, Trump raised his eyebrows and grinned incredulously when asked what he made of the reports.
"I want them to think whatever they think," Trump said of the Navy pilots. "I did have one very brief meeting on it. But people are saying they’re seeing UFOs. Do I believe it? Not particularly."
He doesn't believe in UFOs because they aren't unidentified to him. And, of this Earth.
Concerning extertartials.
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During an interview with Fox News' Tucker Carlson, Trump, who has all our information about extraterrestrials and UFOs at his disposal, said he isn't convinced UFOs exist.
But he's keeping an open mind.
"Well, I don't want to really get into it too much. But personally, I tend to doubt it," he told Carlson. "I'm not a believer, but you know, I guess anything is possible."
He doubts the extraterrestrial angle because there isn't sufficient evidence.
The Nimitz story UFO or UAP story is not an extraterrestrial event. Period.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:44 am to Enadious
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The Nimitz story UFO or UAP story is not an extraterrestrial event. Period.
Lucky for most that you aren't the definitive say so on what is and what isn't truth.
Whatever it "is" it isn't of this planet.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 12:28 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 10/10/19 at 12:40 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Dr Michael Heiser, a biblical scholar, explains the symbology used in Ezekiel 1 in his podcast...
The vision of Ezekiel 1 (also described in Ezekiel 10) is one of the more famous passages in the Bible. It’s also one of the most misunderstood. In this episode Dr. Heiser explains what we’re looking at in Ezekiel 1 and what it means. Along the way, it will be clear that Ezekiel isn’t describing a flying saucer or anything that would have been unfamiliar to an Israelite. We can know what Ezekiel saw because of the iconography (artwork) of the day that has survived and also because of its close connections to other Old Testament passages.
The vision of Ezekiel 1 (also described in Ezekiel 10) is one of the more famous passages in the Bible. It’s also one of the most misunderstood. In this episode Dr. Heiser explains what we’re looking at in Ezekiel 1 and what it means. Along the way, it will be clear that Ezekiel isn’t describing a flying saucer or anything that would have been unfamiliar to an Israelite. We can know what Ezekiel saw because of the iconography (artwork) of the day that has survived and also because of its close connections to other Old Testament passages.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 12:46 pm to A Yankee
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Seems to me the ones saying that Aliens (demons) exist, are the same one who believe in the Theory of Evolution, Anthropogenic climate change, and other pseudoscience.
What is God? How do you define it? A non terrestrial being? An inter dimensional entity of some kind? If you believe in God..you believe in an alien being.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 12:48 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I saw “Final Countdown”.
Why is it always the Nimitz that’s involved in this weird shite?
Why is it always the Nimitz that’s involved in this weird shite?
Posted on 10/10/19 at 1:05 pm to Nobelium
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They could take our resources/wipe us out/whatever without even thinking about it. We'd be that helpless. So despite wielding that enormous power they travel light-years to Earth just to... mess around in the ocean? Screw with some pilots? For decades? That just seems dubious to me.
Just because they have advanced technology does not necessarily mean they could wipe us all out They could've have had a presence here for a very long time. They may not even come from this galaxy or even this time period. They could be advanced AI from the future. No one knows.....maybe they are marooned here temporarily...the possibilities are endless
Posted on 10/10/19 at 1:30 pm to Nobelium
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And there's just no way that the government is in contact with any aliens. Hillary Clinton can't check her emails on her private Blackberry without it leaking. Trump can't have a phone call with a foreign head of state without it leaking. The American atomic program was immediately infiltrated by the communists. But somehow the government has been talking to aliens and no one has leaked proof?
This why I have a hard time believe Bob Lazar's story. He is the only supposed leaker to come forward out of what would undoubtedly be hundreds if not thousands of people who would be in the know of this matter. The only other person I can think of would be Jesse Marcell from the Roswell indecent.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 3:07 pm to A Yankee
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So you believe in little green men visiting us from planets that are lightyears away but reject God, makes sense.
Both are mystical beings in the sky. Maybe they are one in the same. You can't really verify one way or the other, have faith.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 3:37 pm to Godfather1
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Why is it always the Nimitz that’s involved in this weird shite?
Because the Enterprise and the John F. Kennedy are always broke dick?
Posted on 10/10/19 at 7:36 pm to AUTimbo
No one is talking about the “737 submersible”. Wtf was that? Maybe that’s how they’re avoiding contact and observing us through drones? Whatever all this is I believe this guy....did y’all watch him landing on the pitching Carrier? This dude has gigantic balls and can fly the shite out of a fighter.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 8:24 pm to Nobelium
Name a resource that earth has that they’d possibly be interested in taking.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:41 pm to Cold Drink
For all we know, they’re here for the oxygen or salt water or carbon monoxide
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:56 pm to Jim Rockford
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I'm in the middle of watching it. At around the 13.00 point the pilot says the UFO started jamming their radar, which is considered an act of war.
I think they missed an opportunity there. Jamming a radar seems to match technology similar to ours. That seemed suspicious and I would have like to have heard him comment on that.
Posted on 10/10/19 at 10:00 pm to 99BLKBRD
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No one is talking about the “737 submersible”. Wtf was that? Maybe that’s how they’re avoiding contact and observing us through drones? Whatever all this is I believe this guy....did y’all watch him landing on the pitching Carrier? This dude has gigantic balls and can fly the shite out of a fighter.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/amp29417939/unidentified-submarine-objects/
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The Weird History of Unidentified Submerged Objects It’s not just UFOs out there.
By Kyle Mizokami Oct 9, 2019
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These sightings are similar to Fravor’s own sighting. According to the retired Navy pilot, the only reason he had seen the now-infamous “Tic Tac” UFO was because it was hovering above a mysterious larger object that was sighted underwater. Fravor describes the object as cross shaped and approximately the size of a Boeing 737 jetliner. He has further described the water above it as though it were “boiling” or “frothing,” and said the object disappeared after it caught his attention
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In 1970, biologist Ivan Sanderson published the book Invisible Residents. Sanderson, a noted student of unusual phenomena, devoted the book to sightings of what were later called Unidentified Submerged Objects, or USOs. USOs are defined as unknown craft that are sighted in the water, sighted rising up out of the water, or diving into the water. Sanderson catalogued scores of reports of USOs:
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Sanderson also reports an incident that reportedly took place off the coast of Puerto Rico in 1963 during an anti-submarine warfare exercise. The maneuvers were conducted off Puerto Rico in the Atlantic some 500 miles southeast of the continental United States. All reports seem to agree that there were five “small” naval vessels concerned, but in more than one account the aircraft carrier Wasp is stated to have been the command ship… A sonar operator on one of the small vessels, otherwise listed as a destroyer, reported to his bridge that one of the submarines had broken formation and gone off in what appeared to be pursuit of some unknown object. This operator did not, of course, know if this was a “plant”, since the maneuvers they were engaged in were exercises designed to train personnel in detection of enemy craft...However, this operator’s report was not all within the limits of any such simulation,. Trouble was that said subaqueous object was traveling at “over 150 knots”!
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https://silvarecord.com/2019/03/29/ufos-in-water-usos/
Very interesting vid showing an object traversing air and sea (also splitting into 2)
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UFOs in Water: USOs
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“In that same TS/SCI building cafeteria in El Segundo, I had lunch with a senior USAF NCO who had worked for Project Blue Book in the 1970s (after it had been “officially disbanded). He was an ELINT technician (electronic intelligence) who flew in RC-135s from MacDill AFB in Florida. The “normal” target was Cuba where they did lots of snooping and sometimes challenging the Cubans to turn on radar and other systems. He said there were times when they were diverted from these missions to track UFOs off the east coast of Florida. His claim was they UFOs had a landing and takeoff spot in the ocean east of Miami, north of Bermuda. He also claimed there was a specific electronic signature (frequency) emanating from them when they were going into or coming out of the water, so they were easy to track. On several occasions they filmed the UFO as it transitioned from water to air or vice versa.” A case consistently referenced is the Colares Island Event(s). Since this event took place around the Brazilian coast, at some points water was closely associated with it. In his book “Confrontations,” Jacques Vallee wrote this: “The reason the phenomenon could not be denied was very simple: every evening the UFOs appeared, coming from the north. In some cases, they flew down from the sky, in others, they emerged out of the ocean. I saw a photograph of an object with a luminous white ring flying right out of the brackish water at dusk.”
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25784/what-u-s-submariners-actually-say-about-detection-of-so-called-unidentified-submerged-objects
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What U.S. Submariners Actually Say About Detection Of So-Called Unidentified Submerged Objects
Big claims abound about mysterious objects submariners detect below the waves, so we went straight to the source and what we found out was surprising.
BY TYLER ROGOWAYJANUARY 3, 2019
Posted on 10/10/19 at 10:24 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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T he “normal” target was Cuba where they did lots of snooping and sometimes challenging the Cubans to turn on radar and other systems. He said there were times when they were diverted from these missions to track UFOs off the east coast of Florida. His claim was they UFOs had a landing and takeoff spot in the ocean east of Miami, north of Bermuda..
Posted on 10/11/19 at 8:51 am to moneyg
Older footage from Russia of Tic Tac objects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZKL3AeNBrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3pnjXcGl54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZKL3AeNBrs
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Descending UAP - Soviet Footage
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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3pnjXcGl54
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wobbling Cylindrical UAP - Soviet Footage
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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
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