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re: JJ Redick wants to know why are there so few white Americans in NBA

Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:17 pm to
It is pretty interesting. White Euros have gained drastically and white Americans have reduced drastically.

Its happened in association with the increased "importance" of AAU Basketball, which focuses heavily on pure athleticism/recruiting/ putting money in coaches' pockets. At the same time there has been a shift among white americans away from basketball and towards soccer, lacrosse and baseball.
Posted by Wtodd
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:18 pm to
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to kind of figure out what is happening

Bc white people can't be slaves and I've read several articles where rich black athletes say they're slaves.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:18 pm to
He played for Donald sterling when that all went down.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116324 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:19 pm to
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please tell me he just called Alton Sterling "Donald Sterling". oh the irony that he issue is so menial that redick can't even get his name right.


the frick
Posted by baseballmind1212
Missouri City
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:21 pm to
yea my bad. I don't follow NBA very closely so i didn't realize that was his name
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:23 pm to
A similar comparison would be latin americans or whatever they are called in baseball. Those frickers are good. Why? Because they play it since they were a fetus. That and soccer (but I dont want to mention the s word for fear this will turn into a gay bashing thread)
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:25 pm to
So much is wrong. For one thing that statement implies that Africans never worked hard before slavery. It also implies that things like quick twitch muscle percentage were developed genetically in a few generations when in fact it's a west African thing.
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:27 pm to
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You start young and do nothing but play the game and you will have superior skills.



This is true. I started training my son at 7 years old.
Posted by slutiger5
Parroquias de Florida
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:27 pm to
This impresses me, a white person not scared to passive aggressively claim racism.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:31 pm to
Why did you wait so long?
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:31 pm to
Cause white people are all lazy and racist.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:34 pm to
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The hard labor of slavery gave physical gifts to their ancestors.


Muscular development of black people has nothing to do with slavery and everything to do with the thousands of years pre-slavery, living in Africa.

If athelticism was some evolutional gift to slavery, then the Jews would be unstoppable at every sport.

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More blacks play basketball from a very young age and develop the skills to go along with the physical attributes.




This is a much more accurate statement.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:34 pm to
Everyone should read the comments on this article on ESPN's Facebook page, you will lose your last remaining hope in humanity.

The highlight is probably a black fellow comparing basketball and hockey. You know...all those black hockey players they have trying to get into the NHL...
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:37 pm to
I think the reason the NBA is so dominated by blacks is the cost to play. All you need to play basketball is the ball and a pair of sneakers whereas baseball and football take multiple prices of expensive equipment and a lot more organization (not to say blacks can't be organized but pickup football doesn't really transfer to the real game like basketball). Also the weather has a little to do with it I think. Most urban areas (high black populations) are in the north where sports like baseball can't be played all year because it's too cold. Basketball is inside so these kids go to the gym in March because its still cold.
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
17206 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:39 pm to
Tell a whole generation of white kids they aren't athletic enough to play bball and this happens....those kids went to play baseball and football (in select positions).

Know where white kids aren't told they aren't athletic enough to play bball?.....Europe.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21497 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:51 pm to
Something about carrying kids and making stronger legs muscles goes here..
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:54 pm to
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So much is wrong.


It's simplistic - doesn't mean it is all wrong.

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For one thing that statement implies that Africans never worked hard before slavery.


Life in the sub-Saharan, pre-colonial and colonial eras wasn't easy, no question. I think the implicit natural selection of the harsh conditions set the stages for what is being suggested here.

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It also implies that things like quick twitch muscle percentage were developed genetically in a few generations when in fact it's a west African thing.


This is the biggest genetic factor that is often overlooked by folks who dive into this issue without looking.

West Africans (and those of West African ancestry, the lion's share of slaves in the Western Hemisphere going back to the 17th Century) have a very high fast twitch/slow twitch ratio, as you suggest, whereas East Africans have it reversed. Most whites and those of Asian ancestry are more balanced. This is why West Africans excel (frick it, dominate) in explosive physical endeavors - at least to a greater degree than the other groups - such as sprints, jumps, vaults, and East Africans excel (frick it, dominate) as long distance runners.

Whites (and Asians) - it can be argued - are more well rounded, thus the many honkies in the Decathalon, at least compared to their track numbers overall. Keep in mind, there is a certain amount of baked in bias for this - honkies, generally, held the world record in the 200m as recently as 1968. As time has passed, white boys who might have been better sprinters have been pushed to middle distances (where they might just be mediocre), while brothers are generally pushed into sprints, regardless of their suitability for it.

In the U.S., for example, whites perform better in swimming - it is considered an upper middle class activity as swimming pools are expensive. Baseball requires a lot of time/equipment resources, whereas basketball just requires a pair of shoes, a ball, a hoop and 3 to 9 other guys who want to play. So, to a certain extent it is a proxy for class. When a nation (or culture) takes something very seriously, they tend to show up among the elite players (Japanese and Dominicans in baseball, Eastern/Southern Europeans and basketball, Jamaicans and bobsledding) regardless of whether or not it fits some racial expectations.

So, there are certain genetic markers and then there are cultural/socio-economic factors at work in all of this.

The whole "Jimmy the Greek" theory isn't necessarily wrong and it isn't necessarily racist - slavery was, at least in many places, probably tougher than just surviving Africa. In other places, it was probably easier, depending on how slaves were generally treated. It is a complex issue whose complexities are often glossed over because of the emotional investment in the issue many retain.

This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 12:57 pm
Posted by Huey Lewis
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:58 pm to
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Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:59 pm to
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white interest in the NBA seems to have diminished significantly over the last ten years and I expect white fandom to all but disappear by 2025.


the NBA is getting more and more popular every year.

The league isn't run by complete jackass like some leagues
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 1:01 pm
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:01 pm to
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quick twitch muscle percentage were developed genetically in a few generations when in fact it's a west African thing.


Well considering most west africans were slaves, dating back hundreds of years before the slave trade, this would mean way more than a few generations. Slavery didnt start in southern united states
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