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re: JBE drops the hammer
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:12 pm to urinetrouble
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:12 pm to urinetrouble
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Aren't a lot of LSU baseball players on TOPS?
Only if they are homegrown.
Plus....who gives a shite?
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:13 pm to member12
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JBE's supporters want TOPS gone completely
A lot of people want TOPS gone completely. I honestly was swayed by a lot of arguments whenever they suspended it the first time. At the end of the day, it's an entitlement program for the middle class, a middle class that bitches about entitlement programs for the poor (EBT Cards, WIC, ect) and the rich/Corps (Film Credits, other credits).
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:13 pm to Jcorye1
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you're using data over 20 years old.
Sorry, I'm old. 
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:14 pm to foj1981
Not trying to cause a big stir, and this may be better suited for the Poli board:
Why is there such a problem with JBE making these cuts? It seems like he inherited a huge problem and people elected someone who would be the opposite of the last governor who caused a lot of the deficits. Don't Republicans typically favor government cuts to balance the budget? This seems like something that would make them happy.
Why is there such a problem with JBE making these cuts? It seems like he inherited a huge problem and people elected someone who would be the opposite of the last governor who caused a lot of the deficits. Don't Republicans typically favor government cuts to balance the budget? This seems like something that would make them happy.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:14 pm to FlyingTiger06
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Then I think a jump to 26 is pretty extreme. I could see a jump to 22 and at MOST up to 24. I'm no lib, but to me this is going to really hurt kids from small schools (like I went to) in rural areas who are never exposed to things that show up on the ACT, particularly in math and science.
If you cannot score a 26 on the ACT, why should the taxpayers invest in your academic future?
I'm honestly not trying to bash you or any others. I understand a lot of people that want it lower have the want and hope that kids will use this to have a great life. That being said, college is not the best route for everyone. There are plenty of awesome jobs/trades you can get involved with, and people on the lower end of the TOPS spectrum tend to waste everyone's (including their own) time/money just to later leave college and go to a blue collar career. It stinks, because they could have that much more experience with that much less in loans, but we put college up as a must.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:16 pm to bayoumuscle21
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Yes, even though it is same requirement for everyone. If there is a complaint on either/any side, it is an admittance of less overall intelligence, drive and/or both.
I've always thought affirmative action was racist against blacks because of this reason.
Funny.
When TOPS got cut completely, the people who cried the most were white, middle-class republicans.
"Oh ! How will I send my kids to college?"
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:16 pm to AbitaFan08
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Dear LSU Students, Faculty, and Staff,
In one of the first noteworthy events of the regular legislative session, Gov. Edwards today proposed revisions to the budget for the 2016-17 fiscal year, which begins on July 1. His plan includes a 6% reduction in state general funds for higher education and recommends funding the TOPS program at approximately 38% of its current cost.
There are laws that govern how a TOPS shortfall is realized in terms of award distribution. In real impacts, this means current and prospective TOPS students who scored below a 26 composite ACT score would be in jeopardy of losing their scholarship for next year. Under the law, students who did not submit a Free Application for Federal Student Assistance (FAFSA) would be the first to lose their scholarships, followed by students in ascending order by ACT score and family income. If you are currently a TOPS-eligible student and have not filled out a FAFSA, we encourage you to do so now. If you are a faculty or staff member, please share this important news with your students.
While certainly not ideal, this news is somewhat better than most had anticipated. Remember, the state’s budget shortfall is approximately $750 million. The governor also proposed restoring a portion of funding to the LSU AgCenter and Pennington Biomedical Research Center.
We are appreciative of the strides made thus far, but session doesn’t end until June 6 and much can change between now and then. Gov. Edwards has also indicated that he will call a second special session in hope of generating additional revenue for the state.
Please keep educating your legislators and neighbors about the significant role LSU plays in Louisiana’s future success. Your voice matters. If we all speak as one, we can make a difference.
Sincerely, F. King Alexander LSU President
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:17 pm to FlyingTiger06
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to me this is going to really hurt kids from small schools (like I went to) in rural areas who are never exposed to things that show up on the ACT, particularly in math and science.
I don't know what ACT test you took but the science portion has more to do with knowing how to read charts and graphs than actual science material and the math is very basic. There's absolutely nothing on the ACT so advanced that you shouldn't have seen it in high school.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:18 pm to foj1981
It's either cut TOPS 62% for all awards or have the 26 ACT minimum. Sadly, we already know which option will chosen.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:18 pm to PorkChops
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:18 pm to PorkChops
Thanks
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:19 pm to Jcorye1
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If you cannot score a 26 on the ACT, why should the taxpayers invest in your academic future?
Because TOPS was originally supposed to help those kids who could not get an academic scholarship and was intended to lift our state's education level. Again, the kids who will suffer most from this are those from rural schools who aren't exposed to a lot of things they'll eventually be tested on with the ACT.
There's tons of other government waste and useless social programs that should have funding pulled before you mess with education programs.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:21 pm to magildachunks
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Only if they are homegrown.
Plus....who gives a shite?
Well considering this is an LSU sports message board... LSU baseball fans?
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:22 pm to Jcorye1
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it's an entitlement program for the middle class, a middle class that bitches about entitlement programs for the poor (EBT Cards, WIC, ect) and the rich/Corps (Film Credits, other credits).
Yep
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:22 pm to heypaul
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Then we'd have lots of extra money for our state!
paul shouldnt you be somewhere sucking dick
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:22 pm to PorkChops
Does GPA have any effect with losing current TOPS or is it 26 on ACT no exceptions?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:22 pm to FlyingTiger06
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Then I think a jump to 26 is pretty extreme. I could see a jump to 22 and at MOST up to 24. I'm no lib, but to me this is going to really hurt kids from small schools (like I went to) in rural areas who are never exposed to things that show up on the ACT, particularly in math and science.
If you haven't seen basic trig functions, geometry, and the quadratic equation in high school you don't deserve an academic award that grants full tuition. Sorry. Any worthy high school student can order a prep book from Amazon for $30 or rent one from their library, study it for two weeks, and know enough to make a 26 on the ACT.
The stuff on the ACT is not advanced material. What the hell are these rural schools doing if kids haven't been exposed to something as rudimentary as SOHCAHTOA by senior year? Playing patty cake for three years?
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:23 pm to PorkChops
So if I'm reading this right, this would be retroactive? Meaning current students who scored below a 26 but were promised TOPS would have it taken away? I'm ALL in favor of raising the requirements, but I don't necessarily agree with giving someone a scholarship and taking it away when they have done everything that was asked of them since they received it
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:23 pm to FlyingTiger06
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Again, the kids who will suffer most from this are those from rural schools who aren't exposed to a lot of things they'll eventually be tested on with the ACT.
Can you give examples of this? I went to a rural school and I have no idea what you are referring to. The science portion was mostly charts and graphs.
I don't recall any questions referring to the price of a metro ride or street car fare
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:24 pm to FlyingTiger06
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Because TOPS was originally supposed to help those kids who could not get an academic scholarship and was intended to lift our state's education level. Again, the kids who will suffer most from this are those from rural schools who aren't exposed to a lot of things they'll eventually be tested on with the ACT.
Wrong.
Graduated '99 with a 26 ACT. Did not qualify for TOPS.
Truth is, the standards got so low everybody qualified for it.
Basically, it turned into a Sanders Program.
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