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re: It’s pretty much fact the earth flooded around 12,000 years ago (younger dryas)

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Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:01 pm to
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Sorry go back and read Principia Mathematica again.


I already have. How about yourself?
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:02 pm to
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ANY force related to a forming solar system that could collide and propel a planetary object into a fast orbit.

Another planet, satellite, etc as long as it is in the same vector direction as the initial orbit

1. A "forming" solar system is not conducive to life.

2. I don't think you quite understand the way it works. If a planet were accelerated, its orbit would not stay the same.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:03 pm to
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theunknownknight


You need to check out the electric universe model. It addresses many of the things you list in your OP






Some worship cataclysm / catastrophe...
The symbols are representative of the astrological visions that were seen during the cataclysm (electrical phenomenon)

As such, these folks do as they please (decadence, hedonism, etc...)
All in the name of Saturn














https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY

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Symbols of an Alien Sky (Full Documentary)
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Here we offer David Talbott's first glimpses of celestial dramas in ancient times. Just a few thousand years ago a gathering of planets hung as towering forms in the ancient sky close to the earth, provoking spectacular electric discharge formations above our forebears and inspiring the vast complex of world myths and symbols. See the next two full documentaries in the Symbols of an Alien Sky series: Episode 2, Symbols of an Alien Sky: The Lightning-Scarred Planet, Mars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRV1e... Episode 3, Symbols of an Alien Sky: The Electric Comet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wtt...



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tRV1e5_tB6Y

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Episode 2 Symbols of an Alien Sky: The Lightning Scarred Planet, Mars (Full Documentary) ThunderboltsProject960,457 views 6.9K 503
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Year by year the evidence for global electric scarring of Mars continues to grow. Bringing the facts to public attention will be among our highest priorities in coming months. Note: all of the Mars imagery involves actual maps from Google Mars. In Episode 2 Symbols of an Alien Sky: The Lightning Scarred Planet, Mars, David Talbott takes the viewer on an odyssey across the surface of Mars. Exploring feature after feature of the planet, he finds that only electric arcs could produce the observed patterns. The high resolution images reveal massive channels and gouges, great mounds, and crater chains, none finding an explanation in traditional geology but all matching the scars from electric discharge experiments in the laboratory. As a scientific follow-up to Symbols of an Alien Sky, this documentary provides a definitive answer to the question: was Mars carved from pole to pole by intense interplanetary discharge? Errata: The volume of Valles Marineris is estimated by the USGS (2002) to be .92 million cubic miles (3.86 million cubic kilometers).


Multiple parts
Watch it all...

Keep this in mind while watching...








Think in fractals
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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:06 pm to
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2011/12/immanuel-velikovsky/the-earth-without-the-moon/

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The Earth Without the Moon By Immanuel Velikovsky
December 3, 2011


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The period when the Earth was Moonless is probably the most remote recollection of mankind. Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the Earth was without the Moon.(1) Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes, had a population of Pelasgians, and that these aborigines occupied the land already before there was a moon in the sky above the Earth; for this reason they were called Proselenes.(2)

Apollonius of Rhodes mentioned the time “when not all the orbs were yet in the heavens, before the Danai and Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived, of whom it is said that they dwelt on mountains and fed on acorns, before there was a moon.” (3) Plutarch wrote in The Roman Questions: “There were Arcadians of Evander’s following, the so-called pre-Lunar people.”(4) Similarly wrote Ovid: “The Arcadians are said to have possessed their land before the birth of Jove, and the folk is older than the Moon.” (5) Hippolytus refers to a legend that “Arcadia brought forth Pelasgus, of greater antiquity than the moon.”(6) Lucian in his Astrology says that “the Arcadians affirm in their folly that they are older than the moon.”(7) Censorinus also alludes to the time in the past when there was no moon in the sky.(8) Some allusions to the time before there was a Moon may be found also in the Scriptures. In Job 25:5 the grandeur of the Lord who “Makes peace in the heights” is praised and the time is mentioned “before [there was] a moon and it did not shine.” Also in Psalm 72:5 it is said: “Thou wast feared since [the time of] the sun and before [the time of] the moon, a generation of generations.” A “generation of generations” means a very long time. Of course, it is of no use to counter this psalm with the myth of the first chapter of Genesis, a tale brought down from exotic and later sources.

The memory of a world without a moon lives in oral tradition among the Indians. The Indians of the Bogota highlands in the eastern Cordilleras of Colombia relate some of their tribal reminiscences to the time before there was a moon. “In the earliest times, when the moon was not yet in the heavens,” say the tribesmen of Chibchas.(9)


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The variations in the position of the Moon can be read in the variations in the length of the month. The length of the month repeatedly changed in subseqent catastrophic events – and for this there exists a large amount of supporting evidence. In these later occurrences the Moon played a passive role, and Zeus in the Iliad advised it (Aphrodite) to stay out of the battle in which Athene and Ares (Venus and Mars) were the main contestants.


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Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkPpR8t1qvk

Wal Thornhill: Blockbuster – Saturn/Earth Connection Confirmed | Space News

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A new scientific paper provides stunning affirmation of one of the most striking predictions of the Electric Universe/catastrophist hypothesis. The paper, published in the Journal Icarus, reports that the water on Saturn’s moons and in its rings is remarkably similar to water on our own planet, a completely unexpected finding for planetary scientists.

As surprising as this connection between Saturn and Earth is for planetary scientists, the connection was in fact explicitly predicted by one of the great scientific heretics of the 20th century. Nearly three-quarters of a century ago, Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky proposed that within human memory, a period of chaos reigned in the inner solar system. In this scenario, one of the migrating planets was Saturn, and it was Velikovsky’s seemingly outrageous thesis that the water in Earth’s oceans came from the gas giant. In part one of this two part presentation, physicist Wal Thornhill outlines the incredible and ongoing predictive success of the electric universe/catastrophist paradigm.

https://phys.org/news/2018-12-saturn-satellites-earth-moon-phoebe.html

The water in Saturn's rings and satellites is like that on Earth except for moon Phoebe, which is out of this world

December 3, 2018, Planetary Science Institute

By developing a new method for measuring isotopic ratios of water and carbon dioxide remotely, scientists have found that the water in Saturn's rings and satellites is unexpectedly like water on the Earth, except on Saturn's moon Phoebe, where the water is more unusual than on any other object so far studied in the Solar System.

The results, found in the Icarus paper "Isotopic Ratios of Saturn's Rings and Satellites: Implications for the Origin of Water and Phoebe" by Planetary Science Institute Senior Scientist Roger N. Clark, also mean *we need to change models of the formation of the Solar System because the new results are in conflict with existing models. *Robert H. Brown (U. Arizona), Dale P. Cruikshank (NASA), and Gregg A. Swayze (USGS) are co-authors.

The Saturn system D/H values close to the Earth's values imply a similar water source for the inner and outer Solar System, and new models need to be developed where the change from inner to outer Solar System is less.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6fjcPguafug

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Wal Thornhill: The Saturn/Earth Connection and Our Place in the Universe | Space News
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In part one of this presentation, physicist Wal Thornhill began his analysis of one of the most significant space discoveries in recent memory. The history and origin of the gas giant Saturn, and indeed the entire solar system, including our own planet is not what we’ve been told. Planetary scientists recently made the astonishing discovery that water in Saturn’s satellites and rings is remarkably similar to the water on Earth. As Thornhill explained, this discovery was explicitly predicted nearly three quarters of a century ago, by the scientific heretic Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky. In this episode, Thornhill outlines his own successful predictions for discoveries in the Saturnian system, including Saturn's moon Titan. Part one of this two-part presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkPpR...


Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:08 pm to
I think we all know this, whether we admit it or not.
Posted by Displaced
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:08 pm to
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Planetary scientists recently made the astonishing discovery that water in Saturn’s satellites and rings is remarkably similar to the water on Earth.

what does this mean?!?

It is made up of hydrogen and oxygen?

Are there Dr pepper cans floating in Saturn's rings?
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:11 pm to
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what does this mean?!?

It is made up of hydrogen and oxygen?

Are there Dr pepper cans floating in Saturn's rings?


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Isotopic Ratios of Saturn's Rings and Satellites: Implications for the Origin of Water and Phoebe" by Planetary Science Institute Senior Scientist Roger N. Clark,


Same isotopic ratios...
The implications are in the post/article linked above...
Posted by MountainTiger
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:13 pm to
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what does this mean?!?

It is made up of hydrogen and oxygen?

Not trying to give any credence to a crackpot but oxygen and hydrogen have a number of different isotopes.
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:15 pm to
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But remember, only that one bible from that one religion tells the truth. All those other, much older, more accurate accounts of the flood were put there by the debil to confuse you and all the heathens. 

One man put 2 of EVERY animal in the world on to a boat he built by himself. He even traveled to Madagascar, America, Scotland, the north pole, south pole and Australia in between boat building sessions to gather the animals. Yep, that's how it happened


Not only that. He also built an aquarium to hold every aquatic life for, since the flood of that much fresh water caused the fresh and salt water areas to mix, thus destroying all life there.

And he built a greenhouse, and filled it with every plant on the planet, and all the many microorganisms that live in the soil. Because the salty water either killed or drowned all of them.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 2:16 pm
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:17 pm to
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1. A "forming" solar system is not conducive to life.

2. I don't think you quite understand the way it works. If a planet were accelerated, its orbit would not stay the same.


Your Point 1 is irrelevant

Your Point 2 doesn’t take into account changes in the mass of the SUN over time coupled with the changes of the earth’s density + possible impacts
Posted by Displaced
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:20 pm to
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Your Point 2 doesn’t take into account changes in the mass of the SUN over time coupled with the changes of the earth’s density + possible impacts

What. The. frick.

Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:21 pm to
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of a global flood. None. Zero. Zilch.

In fact there is substantial scientific evidence to suggest it is complete impossible and didn’t happen.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:23 pm to
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There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of a global flood. None. Zero. Zilch.


Posted by Displaced
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:24 pm to
Where did all the water come from/go?
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:26 pm to
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Where did all the water come from/go?


Polar ice caps being hit by an explosion of creating a tidal shift

Followed by the ocean being hit by an explosion of heat leading to a global greenhouse effect melting the icecaps

that was easy
Posted by Displaced
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:28 pm to
Right, but I posted a few pages back that even if all ice on Earth converted to water, sealevel would only rise about 225 ft according to national geographic.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 2:28 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:29 pm to
Or you know, civilizations developed around rivers, the Ice Age ended, and there were shite tons of floods. That makes more sense.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:31 pm to
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Your Point 1 is irrelevant

You claim that there was a great flood, and that humans were around before it happened.

You claim that the flood was caused by an impact that changed the earth's orbital velocity, and you further elaborated that this could happen in a "forming" solar system.

So tell me how it's irrelevant that a forming solar system is not conducive to life if your claim is that humans were around while the solar system was still forming?

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Your Point 2 doesn’t take into account changes in the mass of the SUN over time coupled with the changes of the earth’s density + possible impacts
I've known you were a troll for a long time, but you're not even trying anymore.
Posted by MountainTiger
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:37 pm to
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that was easy

For every problem there is a solution, clear, simple and wrong. --H. L. Mencken
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:51 pm to
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What if the comet of the younger dryas changes the revolution speed and the orbital axis?



Are you saying Earth used to rotate faster on its axis, thus days were shorter? Or are you saying the Earth's orbit around the Sun used to be faster making a single year take less time than today?
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