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re: It’s over, remote bros: Zoom tells employees “Back to the office”
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:50 am to NorCali
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:50 am to NorCali
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Seems counter to their corporate mission, meaning facilitating remote work, to do the antithesis of that and require in office. Sort of signaling “hey our product isn’t good enough for fully remote”. I also think a contributing factor to this are older management that hasn’t adapted well. They can’t be productive or give oversite so they need everyone in. But this hybrid is stupid as the team will still be on zoom as they will have different people in house and different people remote so they will be on a shared screen anyway
I'm sure their numbers are sinking as remote work lessens and better products enter the market (Teams is light years better), so they feel like they need to shake things up. Going hybrid is a useless fix that does nothing to address their problems but it's that " we gotta do something" attitude that's ingrained in most people.
Reminds me of being in the banking industry in 2008. Senior management thought things were going to shite because employees were leaving as soon as the clock hit 5 pm.
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:50 am to Oilfieldbiology
WebEx is terrible imo. I do like Teams. I think Zoom runs better for people with terrible internet connections, though. I find Zoom conference rooms better also. Teams is better at everything else.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:53 am to redstick13
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Sure to make their appearance:
1. Jealousy & misplaced anger from people that chose careers where WFH isn't possible
2. People that work for shitty managers
3. People that are shitty managers
4. People that ironically post on message board about people wasting time if allowed to work from home
5. People that can't conceive what working in an office is like and thus think everyone should just go
6. People who are entitled narcissist shits
7. Guys like me that are retired and wonder why WFH guys are on the lake M-F when it used to be the lake was empty during the week.
Really I don't care and am not hating. As long as someone is handling their business, I don't care what they do.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:53 am to SlimTigerSlap
I had to do a teams thing the other day. The lady running the demonstration was working from home and had shitty internet service. The screen kept going black and she would disappear. I got nothing out of it.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:56 am to tunechi
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Explain it to me like the dumbass I am
How did Zoom so quickly overtake Skype when Covid hit
Had never heard of Zoom before that
Zoom and WebEx were among the industry leaders at the time. Zoom was the least-expensive webconferencing option. Microsoft had stopped developing Skype for Business and was pushing MS Teams, which as stated is now the industry leader and a no-brainer for businesses on O365. So it was just coincidental Zoom was positioned to be the go-to early on in the plandemic.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:56 am to TDTOM
I just love when someone calls a very important teams meeting and proceeds to read off the slides verbatim and then asks “Any questions” after each slide.
frick just send me the presentation and let me work.
frick just send me the presentation and let me work.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:00 pm to DesScorp
Nothing is over.
What the article doesn't say is how many of the 8,400 workers they employ are actually located within 50 miles of one of their offices. I'm guessing it's a low percentage, especially considering they ramped up hiring vastly during the pandemic, and all those folks were remote. And it's only two days a week.
Zoom, like other companies doing this (all of the Fortune ones I know are doing it) anticipate that some people will quit. This is cheaper than cutting people and paying severance, etc.
As far as a product, I groan everytime I see some external / third party vendor meeting I must attend uses Zoom. It's clunky.
BTW, I work in the office three times a week...because I want to. But I'll protect the right of my people to WFH full time if that's what they want. Long as they meet their deliverables, which they do because I recruited a kick-arse team.
What the article doesn't say is how many of the 8,400 workers they employ are actually located within 50 miles of one of their offices. I'm guessing it's a low percentage, especially considering they ramped up hiring vastly during the pandemic, and all those folks were remote. And it's only two days a week.
Zoom, like other companies doing this (all of the Fortune ones I know are doing it) anticipate that some people will quit. This is cheaper than cutting people and paying severance, etc.
As far as a product, I groan everytime I see some external / third party vendor meeting I must attend uses Zoom. It's clunky.
BTW, I work in the office three times a week...because I want to. But I'll protect the right of my people to WFH full time if that's what they want. Long as they meet their deliverables, which they do because I recruited a kick-arse team.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:11 pm to chrome_daddy
Page 1 said it best. Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
My company has tried time and time again to get people back to the office. It has failed every time. People only go in when people from out of state are in town.
We've started offloading real estate and no one says anything about going in on a hybrid schedule anymore.
My company has tried time and time again to get people back to the office. It has failed every time. People only go in when people from out of state are in town.
We've started offloading real estate and no one says anything about going in on a hybrid schedule anymore.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:13 pm to chrome_daddy
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As far as a product, I groan everytime I see some external / third party vendor meeting I must attend uses Zoom. It's clunky.
Whenever we get a zoom meeting, I send out a teams message to my team to remind them to open Zoom 5-10 minutes prior to the meeting. It requires an update EVERY TIME we use it. It's clunky for sure and I can't tell what redeeming quality it has compared to options.
In a given day, I am mostly on Teams, but people still use Zoom, Google, and some companies like Amazon have their own platform you have to use.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:14 pm to Proximo
Also no chance this applies to the most important people in the workplace - like developers. This is for the replaceable joes
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:25 pm to VictoryTiger
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most important people in the workplace - like developers. This is for the replaceable joes
Unfortunately, tons of developers have been getting the axe lately. I have 2 nephews in remotely different sectors that are both currently laid off. FWIW, one was wfh and one worked in office.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:31 pm to Odysseus32
I think for many mid-late career workers, work from home is a substantial improvement in the overall workplace dynamic….
HOWEVER, for early career workers just starting out, work from home is absolutely destroying their long run growth potential.
Just think back to the early days of your career and to how much “soft” knowledge you acquired by learning from watching those around you. That’s where you learn all the tricks of the trade, where you figure out how to operate within the system, and where you get all the insider knowledge needed to navigate whatever bureaucracy that your individual firm had built up over decades of operation. And all of that can only come from working extensively, in close proximity, with those who have decades of experience on you. Work from home formalizes work relationships to the point of restricting them to only predefined interactions, which minimizes mentoring opportunities, and stops early career workers from fully developing the professional and social skills they need to successfully climb the corporate ladder.
It’s more short term thinking focused on improving the immediate well being of those who have already achieved success without any real consideration for the long term consequences that are passed down to the younger generations.
It’s just the newest iteration of the same selfish thinking that has our society consistently digging itself into a larger and larger hole.
HOWEVER, for early career workers just starting out, work from home is absolutely destroying their long run growth potential.
Just think back to the early days of your career and to how much “soft” knowledge you acquired by learning from watching those around you. That’s where you learn all the tricks of the trade, where you figure out how to operate within the system, and where you get all the insider knowledge needed to navigate whatever bureaucracy that your individual firm had built up over decades of operation. And all of that can only come from working extensively, in close proximity, with those who have decades of experience on you. Work from home formalizes work relationships to the point of restricting them to only predefined interactions, which minimizes mentoring opportunities, and stops early career workers from fully developing the professional and social skills they need to successfully climb the corporate ladder.
It’s more short term thinking focused on improving the immediate well being of those who have already achieved success without any real consideration for the long term consequences that are passed down to the younger generations.
It’s just the newest iteration of the same selfish thinking that has our society consistently digging itself into a larger and larger hole.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:45 pm to funnystuff
Spot on.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:02 pm to DesScorp
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It’s over, remote bros
Yet here I sit, in my home office.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:09 pm to funnystuff
Great post.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:14 pm to DesScorp
2 Days in office is current Hybrid standard which almost every company in my industry has adopted since middle of last year.
This isnt some gotcha
This isnt some gotcha
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:20 pm to Fun Bunch
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I know a girl that worked for a tech company out of cali and she thought remote work was going to last forever so she moved to freaking Europe.
Got told come back or get fired
A good friend of mine from college who works in Tech basically moved to Puerto Rico. Originally it was supposed to be a temp 3 month thing. He got a girl pregnant, so now he's there full time.
He says his previous job tried to force him to come back in the office, and so he found another job that allows him to WFH. I don't think he's ever coming back at this point.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:22 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Good. WFH is demonic
You're a weird duck.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:24 pm to Odysseus32
BIL worked at one place 40 years, never took days off, never was sick, and he's ~68.
He told them he was thinking of retirement in a year or so, they "phased out" his position in 2 weeks
he got nothing from the company that had convinced him for 40 years they cared so much for his work he did, and valued him as an employee
He told them he was thinking of retirement in a year or so, they "phased out" his position in 2 weeks
he got nothing from the company that had convinced him for 40 years they cared so much for his work he did, and valued him as an employee
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:59 pm to chrome_daddy
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Zoom, like other companies doing this (all of the Fortune ones I know are doing it) anticipate that some people will quit. This is cheaper than cutting people and paying severance, etc.
This is actually the right answer. They are trying to save severance money by not having to do layoffs as their revenue continues to trend down.
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