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It's official - Bonnet Carre Spillway to open tomorrow AM

Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:26 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40220 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:26 pm
Godspeed, South LA oystermen...

Mother Nature continues her raging.

LINK
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 2:30 pm
Posted by ChandlerB03
Natchez, MS
Member since Nov 2015
1791 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:26 pm to
Link?
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70166 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:26 pm to
first virus....

next raging waters....


Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
26183 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:27 pm to
It’s so normalized now. I don’t even bat an eye

Come back to me when we open up the Morganza
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:28 pm to
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Link?



Lazy Bastard
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216135 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:29 pm to
Sad. But they should open both.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76287 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:31 pm to
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Sad. But they should open both


Geez
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
26906 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:31 pm to
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Sad. But they should open both.


well good thing you aren't in charge
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33808 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:32 pm to
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Sad. But they should open both.



Negative
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34201 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:33 pm to
The strongly resisted last year. Last time it was open several issues with half the gates and now inoperable. Its a last resort measure because there is a fear they may never get it to close again.
Posted by Dale Doubak
Somewhere
Member since Jan 2012
6000 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:34 pm to
Projections don’t look that bad I’m hoping not open for very long. I’m assuming it will be a light opening.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29001 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:35 pm to
Chinese Carp season gets back into full swing next week!

Get those mirrolures ready.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:35 pm to
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Sad. But they should open both.



PeeJ, serious question. Do you know anything about anything besides how to count scaffolding?


Sports..fail
Weather..fail
Economy/Stock Market...fail
Pandemic..fail
Flood Control....fail

I can go on if you'd like
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:37 pm to
Goodbye cheap crawfish.
Posted by OldSouth
Folsom, LA
Member since Oct 2011
10993 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:45 pm to
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Goodbye cheap crawfish
what?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40220 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:45 pm to
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The strongly resisted last year. Last time it was open several issues with half the gates and now inoperable. Its a last resort measure because there is a fear they may never get it to close again.


Opening the BCS is horrible.

Opening Morganza is cataclysmic because as you said, it might well fail while opened.

Would be nice if we could actually get it fixed / replaced so it would be a viable option.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76287 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 2:49 pm to
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Its a last resort measure because there is a fear they may never get it to close again.


Wouldn't it 'close' when the water goes down?
Posted by man in the stadium
Member since Aug 2006
1442 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 3:03 pm to
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Sad. But they should open both.


I see this thought a lot and want to provide a basic hydraulics and sediment transport lesson to all. I wanted to dumb this down, but surely some armchair engineers will jump in and argue, so to you guys:

1) Look up Lane's Balance. It is a conceptual model that relates river behavior and response to changes.

2) Rivers move sediment, not just water.
3) Lighter sediments (e.g. silts and other fine-grained particulate) comprise about 80% of the MR's total sediment load. Heavier sediments (e.g. sand) comprise the remaining 20%. The sand literally sits on the bottom of the river in dunes for all flows below ~400,000 cfs; but as the river gains flow/energy, the sand begins to roll down the bed. By 1.2 million cfs, which is the Bonnet Carre trigger, the sand is nearly fully suspended within the water column and no longer just flowing along the bottom.
3) Opening Morganza, which is upstream of the Bonnet Carre, reduces the energy of the river, causing heavier sediments to fall out of suspension (referring to main channel, not the diversion channel). Induced shoaling via energy/flow removal is a widely studied and well understood phenomenon. It happens down stream of ORCS, it happens downstream of Bonnet Carre when open. Further reading.
4) Remember Lane's Balance? We are not removing an equal relationship of sediment and water, as rivers have a non-homogenous mix of water and material at various points. Thus, the balance will tip such that we are in a bed aggregation phase, which is not good for shipping and not good as the river's carrying capacity could drive flood elevations higher on the levees due to bed elevation.
5) In closing, one reason of many that Morganza is opened later is to maintain enough stream power to prevent further shoaling. Plenty of higher level reading available One old example.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37734 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 3:07 pm to
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South LA oystermen



these shrimphead motherfrickers are the reason our coastline continues to diminish and our estuaries are collapsing. frick em.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40220 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 3:07 pm to
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Wouldn't it 'close' when the water goes down?


By close that means back to the 70/30 split.

The MS river wants to follow the Morganza channel / Atchafalaya channel. The concern is that even as the water naturally drops, it won't return back to that 70/30 ratio.
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