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Posted on 1/31/23 at 10:23 pm to Ironlung
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He stayed in shape and she got fat after about 8 years
Grounds for divorce
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:51 am to The Top G
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That's caused by bad food. Stop eating the bad foods and that stops. Human hormone production didn't evolve in one generation, to argue otherwise is absurd.
Not trying to get start an argument, but, the fact that you're blaming it on food entirely is absurd.
Let me ask you a question that might change how you think about this. How do you think sex drive works? Could a high sex drive person just NOT have sex? Or only have sex once a month? Or does their body crave it to point where they will be do(sometimes) completely irrational things to get it? Now apply that to the consumption of food.
And that's kind of the problem. We tend to attribute obesity to some kind of moral failing and if they'd just stop consuming so many calories it would all be better.
Think about that statement for a minute and hopefully you'll see this from a different perspective.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:13 pm to kennypowers
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I don't think anyone here is arguing that fact. The part that a lot of people are overlooking and have stigmatized bigly is that hormones play a massive role on some peoples ability to control how much they eat. Think of it like a broken gas gauge in a vehicle. If your gas gauge is always showing that your almost out of gas, you'll feel compelled to stop and fill up the tank more often. Peoples brains are telling them they are hungry even when they have plenty of available fuel. Compounding that is the availability of small high caloric "snacks" that people consume....mostly in the form of sugar.
agree but most of that comes for over stimulation for years.
one can easily overcome this with a 2-4 week reset. anyone can eat a certain way for 2-4 weeks, just takes a lot of will power
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The good news for both the medical community and for people that struggle with their weight is that we are starting to see drugs come to market address the underlying issue. GLP1 meds are going to be the most significant drug to come about in the last 50 years.
this we can agree on, glp-1 is just the tip of the ice burg too but again those are already being abused by the non obese that just want to lose 20 lbs
also they are being abused by the obese as in not changing their lifestyle and not embracing the new energy requirements. those kinds of people will have to be on it forever unfortunately.
but yes glp-1 is a game changer for many but they have to embrace the change.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:17 pm to Nutriaitch
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I know people here don't want to hear it, but genetics absolutely plays a role.
Of course it does.
That does NOT negate the FACT that if you're obese, it is YOUR fault.
Oh, sure. You might be able to point to one of those people who seems to have a tapeworm that somehow never gets fat. They exist.
That doesn't change the FACT that to get obese, it requires action on your part(or a lack of action as the case may be)
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:29 pm to Tornado Alley
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Factors like genetics, hormones, sleep quality and even stigma can cause weight gain.
Weight gain =/= obesity
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:33 pm to facher08
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Obesity is disease caused by shoving trash food into your jowls.
Inaccurate. The disease of obesity causes imbalances in the body’s chemistry. One of the main targets of the disease of obesity is GLP1.
There are plenty of people that have the disease of obesity that are not currently overweight. These people constantly suffer from hunger and feelings of starvation or overwork their bodies to burn enough calories to counter the caloric intake cause by the disease of obesity.
Plenty of people have diabetes. They take medicine to keep the symptoms from occurring. The disease of obesity is the same. Old thinking still prevails(the bulk of this board is ground zero for that), which is why so many can’t wrap their heads around the reality of this.
Fortunately, the medical community knows it is a disease, has proven it is a disease, and now has effective ways to fight the disease.
Old mentality is still a challenge that will be overcome in time.
It’s a disease. That is factual. Not an opinion.
Edit to add: in no way am I saying people shouldn’t eat healthy and exercise. They are absolutely important. The faster widespread acceptance happens around this issue the faster the second leading preventable cause of death in our great country can be addressed(the bulk of this board are amongst those we are trying to help).
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:45 pm to kennypowers
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Not trying to get start an argument, but, the fact that you're blaming it on food entirely is absurd.
Let me ask you a question that might change how you think about this. How do you think sex drive works? Could a high sex drive person just NOT have sex? Or only have sex once a month? Or does their body crave it to point where they will be do(sometimes) completely irrational things to get it? Now apply that to the consumption of food.
And that's kind of the problem. We tend to attribute obesity to some kind of moral failing and if they'd just stop consuming so many calories it would all be better.
Think about that statement for a minute and hopefully you'll see this from a different perspective.
It's an extremely easy concept, what percentage of people that are overweight were born/developed a hormone imbalance and what percentage of those same people messed up their hormones by destroying their metabolic health?
Hint: One of those is magnitudes higher than the other.
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Inaccurate. The disease of obesity causes imbalances in the body’s chemistry. One of the main targets of the disease of obesity is GLP1.
There are plenty of people that have the disease of obesity that are not currently overweight. These people constantly suffer from hunger and feelings of starvation or overwork their bodies to burn enough calories to counter the caloric intake cause by the disease of obesity.
Plenty of people have diabetes. They take medicine to keep the symptoms from occurring. The disease of obesity is the same. Old thinking still prevails(the bulk of this board is ground zero for that), which is why so many can’t wrap their heads around the reality of this.
Fortunately, the medical community knows it is a disease, has proven it is a disease, and now has effective ways to fight the disease.
Old mentality is still a challenge that will be overcome in time.
It’s a disease. That is factual. Not an opinion.
MOAR PHARMA!!!
This shite wreaks on the same chronic pain drivel we heard 25-30 years ago
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:26 pm to The Top G
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It's an extremely easy concept, what percentage of people that are overweight were born/developed a hormone imbalance and what percentage of those same people messed up their hormones by destroying their metabolic health?
Hint: One of those is magnitudes higher than the other.
ummm...he is right just so everyone knows
and for the matter.....metabolic health is way way way overblown as seen in over a dozen studies
the studies show those that are obese have much lower non exercise activity (NEAT) and over undulge especially on high fat/high sugar content and tend to tremendously under estimate the amount of calories they are taking in.
nobody is special, you arent breaking the laws of thermodynamics.
just like no diet is special or works better an any other
its calories...then protein....thats all that matters until you get to below 12% or so at most
everything else is just a strategy to stay consistent.
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MOAR PHARMA!!!
na, glp-1 have been in the process of development for a while. i think they can be a god send, but.....only to those willing to change
otherwise its just like Naloxone to an opiod addict that doesnt want to get clean
all you are doing is controlling the terrible habits.
obesity is a disease but its more or a sensory disorder than anything else. peopel do not have impulse control and over stimulate the taste buds to the point they crave things.
answer is simple though and only those looking for victimhood would suggest otherwise
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:38 pm to The Top G
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MOAR PHARMA!!!
This shite wreaks on the same chronic pain drivel we heard 25-30 years ago
Who's we? According to your own post history you're 29 years old...
I'll take it this account is an alt since it was created a couple of weeks ago and you sound like a complete douche canoe in ever post you make. Listen, I get it, you're young and think you've got it all figured out. I'll patiently await your smarmy reply with the continued use of words like "drivel" because you think it makes you sound educated.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:44 pm to kennypowers
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Who's we? According to your own post history you're 29 years old... I'll take it this account is an alt since it was created a couple of weeks ago and you sound like a complete douche canoe in ever post you make.
Listen, I get it, you're young and think you've got it all figured out. I'll patiently await your smarmy reply with the continued use of words like "drivel" because you think it makes you sound educated
no offense but this is the worst take of all time and seems to be very common
1) this is obesity we are talking about, its simply energy balance....break it down however you want, it still all comes down to energy balance
2) plenty of studies now show our BMR only falls about about 1 calorie a year(10 cals per decade on average)
so with the above info, that are facts and can not be argued, how does anything he said and the fact that he is 29 make him uneducated?
if you said unsympathetic....sure
if you said still needed lots of life expierence to understand how a working mom of 3 kids can gain weight......sure
but absolutely nothing he said is incorrect
i support the use of GLP-1s but its more about me understanding human nature and the mental part of this.
glp is absolutely not needed by anyone to fix obesity though.
i personally think its a great drug with lots of benifits outside of just obesity, but dont get mad when people dont support pharmaceutical intervention for things that can be fixed with just lots of hard work and will power
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:29 pm to kennypowers
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Who's we? According to your own post history you're 29 years old... I'll take it this account is an alt since it was created a couple of weeks ago and you sound like a complete douche canoe in ever post you make.
Listen, I get it, you're young and think you've got it all figured out. I'll patiently await your smarmy reply with the continued use of words like "drivel" because you think it makes you sound educated.
C'mon man, there is no way you can argue that 60%+ of the US population developed a genetic hormone abnormality in like 30 years, it's ridiculous.
And acting like you can't be educated on a topic because you weren't directly involved may be dumber. It's like saying you can't think slavery is bad because you have never been subjected to it.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:32 pm to Tornado Alley
"No one ever gained weight in a lifeboat."
...My dad.
...My dad.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:47 pm to HoopyD
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South Pacific nations are the fattest nations on Earth.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 3:11 pm to lsu777
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no offense but this is the worst take of all time and seems to be very common
1) this is obesity we are talking about, its simply energy balance....break it down however you want, it still all comes down to energy balance
2) plenty of studies now show our BMR only falls about about 1 calorie a year(10 cals per decade on average)
so with the above info, that are facts and can not be argued, how does anything he said and the fact that he is 29 make him uneducated?
if you said unsympathetic....sure
if you said still needed lots of life expierence to understand how a working mom of 3 kids can gain weight......sure
but absolutely nothing he said is incorrect
i support the use of GLP-1s but its more about me understanding human nature and the mental part of this.
glp is absolutely not needed by anyone to fix obesity though.
i personally think its a great drug with lots of benifits outside of just obesity, but dont get mad when people dont support pharmaceutical intervention for things that can be fixed with just lots of hard work and will power
I want to be clear on this because I think it's not coming through.
My argument has nothing to do with calories in minus calories out. Zero...none what so ever. That's well established science.
What I'm saying is that the body/mind/hormones has more to do with how well a given individual is able to control the amount they consume through sheer will power AND how good their body is at burning the fuel they consume(similar to how some vehicles get better gas mileage than others). Everything is a spectrum and how well you can control and burn calories varies highly from individual to individual. Again, my argument has nothing to do with the fact that if you consume more calories than you burn, you gain weight, OR that if you burn more than you take in, you lose weight. I understand that completely.
I think you guys are confusing the outcome with the underlying issue that each individual deals with. Couple all of that with highly available, low cost low nutritional foods and I think it amplifies the difference between individuals.
I think we could all be a little more like Ted Lasso. Be curious, not judgmental.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 3:12 pm to kennypowers
quote:yeah that’s worked so well
Be curious, not judgmental.
Fat people need to be shamed
Posted on 2/1/23 at 3:38 pm to kennypowers
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What I'm saying is that the body/mind/hormones has more to do with how well a given individual is able to control the amount they consume through sheer will power AND how good their body is at burning the fuel they consume(similar to how some vehicles get better gas mileage than others). Everything is a spectrum and how well you can control and burn calories varies highly from individual to individual. Again, my argument has nothing to do with the fact that if you consume more calories than you burn, you gain weight, OR that if you burn more than you take in, you lose weight. I understand that completely.
I think you guys are confusing the outcome with the underlying issue that each individual deals with. Couple all of that with highly available, low cost low nutritional foods and I think it amplifies the difference between individuals.
I think we could all be a little more like Ted Lasso. Be curious, not judgmental.
while i agree somewhat we didnt just develop all of these hormone issues. meaning these arent genetic issues and more sensory issues due to over stimulation and lack of NEAT
the avg body doesnt genetically change in 30 years. that essentially what you are saying
so to be clear you are saying since the 90s we have genetically changed to have hormone issues?
or that we have hormone issues due to the bs we eat?
i can get on board with the issues caused by foods, the other is complete bullshite
im not judging anyone, im simply stating i dont feel sorry for anyone over weight as they have all done it to themselves. that includes my family.
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