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Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:35 am to jbgleason
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We've got our problems. But the evidence will show that the creation of St. George isn't the answer. In fact, it will make things worse," Furr told the judge.
While this may be true... this is not at all a reason to stop the voters from declaring they want their own city.
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Such a cut, he said, would have a "significantly detrimental impact" on the police department's ability to do its job and would force layoffs.
It should force layoffs because there would be less work for the departments to do.
Why is that never talked about? If you have less work to do, you need less money.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:35 am to jbgleason
As someone who left I hope y’all finally get this done, but there’s no way it will ever be allowed to happen. All the posts on fb have already been trolled with the race baiters, it’ll be a literal fire storm in a few weeks
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:37 am to LSU-MNCBABY
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As someone who left I hope y’all finally get this done, but there’s no way it will ever be allowed to happen. All the posts on fb have already been trolled with the race baiters, it’ll be a literal fire storm in a few weeks
Same. Had the school district been approved initially or the first petition been successful there's a slight chance that I would still be in BR.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:38 am to jbgleason
I’m from northwest Louisiana and I still live in northwest Louisiana. Can someone explain the st. George thing to me?
I gather it’s a portion of Baton Rouge that they want to break away from Baton Rouge to turn it into two different cities. The article says it’s not due to income or race so why else would they want to break away from Baton Rouge. Seems obvious they want to do it because the crime is bad in low income areas.
If it was that simple why wouldn’t every major city just break apart from the crime ridden areas. That’s kinda what happened when suburbs became big. How is this different?
I gather it’s a portion of Baton Rouge that they want to break away from Baton Rouge to turn it into two different cities. The article says it’s not due to income or race so why else would they want to break away from Baton Rouge. Seems obvious they want to do it because the crime is bad in low income areas.
If it was that simple why wouldn’t every major city just break apart from the crime ridden areas. That’s kinda what happened when suburbs became big. How is this different?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:38 am to Tigersonfire
End result is that a ton of signatures in that area got overturned last time, meaning that the remaining legal signatures for the area weren’t very high.
If you try to include a reason where you can’t reasonably assure that the signer lives there and will remain there until the petition is accomplished, you don’t include them.
The area can always apply for annexation after St George is formed.
If you try to include a reason where you can’t reasonably assure that the signer lives there and will remain there until the petition is accomplished, you don’t include them.
The area can always apply for annexation after St George is formed.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:40 am to Tigerpride18
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I gather it’s a portion of Baton Rouge that they want to break away from Baton Rouge to turn it into two different cities.
No, it's a portion of unincorporated East Baton Rouge Parish that wants to form the City of St. George. No one is breaking away.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:42 am to Tigerpride18
The area in question is a large chunk of unincorporated EBR parish, not part of BR.
Most development over the last 40 years went into these areas and the city couldn’t or wouldn’t annex them, so the city parish merger made it so that a large chunk of money is raised from the unincorporated areas yet allocated to pay bills for the city of BR.
BR does not provide fire, water, gas, police, etc, to these areas, as they are all covered by special districts, the parish sheriff, parish agencies, or private industry.
Yet these areas are paying for BRFD and BRPD through the guaranteed percentage of “general fund” moneys for the whole parish despite those entities only covering BR and not unincorporated areas or other municipalities such as Baker, Central, and Zachary.
Most development over the last 40 years went into these areas and the city couldn’t or wouldn’t annex them, so the city parish merger made it so that a large chunk of money is raised from the unincorporated areas yet allocated to pay bills for the city of BR.
BR does not provide fire, water, gas, police, etc, to these areas, as they are all covered by special districts, the parish sheriff, parish agencies, or private industry.
Yet these areas are paying for BRFD and BRPD through the guaranteed percentage of “general fund” moneys for the whole parish despite those entities only covering BR and not unincorporated areas or other municipalities such as Baker, Central, and Zachary.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:43 am to Tigerpride18
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I’m from northwest Louisiana and I still live in northwest Louisiana. Can someone explain the st. George thing to me?
I gather it’s a portion of Baton Rouge that they want to break away from Baton Rouge to turn it into two different cities.
No.
East Baton Rouge Parish and the City of Baton Rouge are 2 different legal entities but have a consolidated government.
Lots of the parish is unincorporated, so people call it "Baton Rouge" but it's really the parish not city (again, under the same, consolidated government).
St. George is an unincorporated area that isn't a part of any other city. The citizens in that area are trying to create a city (similar to what Zachary did a short while ago). The reason they are doing this is to ultimately create their own school district. They tried to do this and were shot down, and were told they needed a city first.
If you go read my post on the last page, it gets into what the power brokers in EBR did to immorally thwart the efforts. Now they're claiming this is a racist ploy and have created the marketing that you bought into that thinks they're "breaking away" when really they're creating something out of nothing, essentially.
The big issue is that the City of BR gets a portion of taxes that the unincorporated areas deliver to the consolidated government's coffers (while providing no services to the unincorporated areas). If St. George becomes a city, that sliver stays in St George. The CITY has departments that will have to cut their budgets and that is just not acceptable.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:47 am to Aubie Spr96
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There has been a push for a ‘metro gov’t’ several times claiming we needed it to get big things here.
The problem is East Baton Rouge isn't truly consolidated.
There are still independent cities within East Baton Rouge Parish, in addition to the City of Baton Rouge, and unincorporated areas.
The entire thing is a hot mess.
Metro government makes sense if the metro government has it's own budget. That's not the case here. THe City of BR and the Parish of East Baton Rouge share a budget.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is dirty, terrible, and downright evil by the EBR-BR government leaders.
That’s how I feel about it. I don’t live there any more and likely never will again so I stay out of most of these threads BUT the plan and argument by Baton Rouge is just wrong and forced St Georges hand. If I weee in Baton Rouge, I’d have to a strong St George proponent because I couldn’t afford private schooling for my children.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 7:54 am
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:48 am to teke184
So people that are living outside the city of Baton Rouge are paying taxes for services that they aren’t receiving?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:49 am to Tigerpride18
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So people that are living outside the city of Baton Rouge are paying taxes for services that they aren’t receiving?
Been that way for awhile
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:51 am to TheSadvocate
So why would it be hard to get people to sign a petition or to vote against paying taxes for stuff they don’t get?
What is it that has people against having it as a city itself
What is it that has people against having it as a city itself
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:52 am to MrCoolBeans
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MrCoolBeans
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Yes, a lot of people thought it was for new schools. Because that’s what they were told in the beginning, and even tho the organizers knew schools were NOT going to happen, they kept pushing new schools to sell the vote.
bullshite. Explain to me then why the ORIGINAL plan was just for an independent school district and not a new city. The St George concept only came about AFTER the Mayor President shot down the ISD. Not before. Your post is misinformed or an outright lie.
If the pols in the city would have let those citizens have their ISD, there would be no vote and no lawsuit.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 7:55 am
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:55 am to MrCoolBeans
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Yes, a lot of people thought it was for new schools. Because that’s what they were told in the beginning, and even tho the organizers knew schools were NOT going to happen, they kept pushing new schools to sell the vote.
The initial push was literally just for the Southeast BR School District, not a city. Theres a video of an elected official at the Capital telling the organizers to form the city then push for the schools, so they did just that. Like I said, for you to say the school thing was a lie means you haven't been following long enough to really have any idea.
If you look at the url of the official SG facebook page you'll see it's fb.com/SEBRSchools
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 8:03 am
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:57 am to Tigerpride18
Bingo.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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If you go read my post on the last page, it gets into what the power brokers in EBR did to immorally thwart the efforts. Now they're claiming this is a racist ploy and have created the marketing that you bought into that thinks they're "breaking away" when really they're creating something out of nothing, essentially.
The somewhat interesting thing is that the only time I’ve read the term st. George is on this website on thIs board. So whatever I’ve interpreted has been from y’all’s posts lol
Posted on 5/3/22 at 8:02 am to jbgleason
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Baton Rouge Police Chief Murphy Paul testified that, after St. George's creation was approved by voters, the city-parish asked all department heads to prepare two budgets: a standstill budget and one contemplating a 20% budget cut. Such a cut, he said, would have a "significantly detrimental impact" on the police department's ability to do its job and would force layoffs.
translation: unincorporated areas are paying for 20% of BRPD
Posted on 5/3/22 at 8:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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St. George is an unincorporated area that isn't a part of any other city. The citizens in that area are trying to create a city (similar to what Zachary did a short while ago). The reason they are doing this is to ultimately create their own school district. They tried to do this and were shot down, and were told they needed a city first
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