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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:09 pm to IAmNERD
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:09 pm to IAmNERD
I quoted the posts directly. They say exactly what they say. If you meant something else, then that's on you to be more clear.
They didn't refer to Hamas in Gaza. They referred to
Gaza =/= "Palestine" or the Islamic community as a whole.
When checked, YOU defended their statement by saying ...
... which is true, but not what was originally said. If you knew what you were talking about in the first place and not defended a non-factual statement, you wouldn't have had to move the goalposts. So yeah, I'd say you probably do need a little help. (Which I've been happy to do and don't mind continuing.)
quote:
You were replying to someone else and I was pointing out that regarding the current situation, yes, Hamas hasbhad majority support for a long time in Gaza.
Again, you're arguing semantics equating Gaza with Palestinians. We don't need you telling us that Gaza and the West Bank aren't the same.
They didn't refer to Hamas in Gaza. They referred to
quote:
1. Hamas has overwhelming support within Palestine and the Islamic community as a whole.
Gaza =/= "Palestine" or the Islamic community as a whole.
When checked, YOU defended their statement by saying ...
quote:
Hamas has had support and control in Gaza
quote:
But in Gaza, Hamas has had favor and control since the last elections were held in 2006.
That's a fact.
... which is true, but not what was originally said. If you knew what you were talking about in the first place and not defended a non-factual statement, you wouldn't have had to move the goalposts. So yeah, I'd say you probably do need a little help. (Which I've been happy to do and don't mind continuing.)
This post was edited on 10/9/23 at 2:13 pm
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Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:10 pm to Burt Orangello
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Hamas didn't make the decision. Hamas is a puppet and was told to dance, so they danced. The puppetmaster(s) doesn't/don't care if there's upside for Hamas specifically ... because the upside is for the puppetmaster(s). They attacked Israel, but indirectly via proxy, so can cry foul if there's a response, and took no direct casualties themselves (not yet anyway...that very well may change).
That's the beauty of it. The puppet attacks and is attacked while the hand itself remains intact.
It's actually kind of a Russian doll.
Iran relies on Hamas to take the heat, but Hamas relies on innocent civilians to take the heat for Hamas.
Having innocent Muslim Arabs be killed by the IDF is always the ultimate goal in these operations. That's how they continue the perpetual victim card, and have done so for half a century. They know they can't win, but they know they will lose if they don't have innocent Arab Muslims killed by the IDF with some regularity.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:11 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Gaza is about to get wiped off the map, Israeli Defense Minister seems totally focused on accomplishing this. Problem is there’s a lot of people living in Gaza not associated with Hamas including children. This is going to get even more horrific than it had been
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:13 pm to Old Money
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That is a very dangerous view to hold, imo.
I can understand how some may disagree. And I do recognize that it is a dangerous idea. However Islam has proven time and time again that peace and compromise are not an option. I don’t know another way to make it stop.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:15 pm to Burt Orangello
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Hamas didn't make the decision. Hamas is a puppet and was told to dance, so they danced
It doesn't really matter to discuss all of the analytical nuances. God warned Israel back in Numbers 33 not to allow them to live there. Israel needs to take Gaza and remove its inhabitants. Should have been done years ago. Next up is to conduct a large scale air/missile campaign on Iran. Again, should have been done YEARS ago.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Having innocent Muslim Arabs be killed by the IDF is always the ultimate goal in these operations. That's how they continue the perpetual victim card, and have done so for half a century. They know they can't win, but they know they will lose if they don't have innocent Arab Muslims killed by the IDF with some regularity.
Until Israel (under the auspices of self defense) forcibly removes the Palestinian population either by elimination or forced exile.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:15 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:
Problem is there’s a lot of people living in Gaza not associated with Hamas including children
They were all warned before attacking.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:16 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:18 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:
I can’t care your intentions, intelligent, or background, if you have a solution, spit it out because it’s alluded us for 3,000 years or so.
I've never claimed to have a solution because there is no solution.
I said in another thread that, in my opinion, there is only:
A) Israel pushes the Palis completely out of Gaza and the WB, taking it all
B) Israel cedes everything, including Jerusalem, to the Palis and leaves
C) The status quo
There's no "2 state solution" or anything of the kind. C might involve periods of relative peace and maybe even cooperation, but it will also involve periods of war. Same old shite, different decade.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:19 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:
Gaza is about to get wiped off the map, Israeli Defense Minister seems totally focused on accomplishing this. Problem is there’s a lot of people living in Gaza not associated with Hamas including children. This is going to get even more horrific than it had been
Oh well, guess the few survivors ought to think twice before electing morons……
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:19 pm to Burt Orangello
Visegrad24
The EU's plan to suspend all financial aid to the Palestinian Authority has been blocked by 4 EU states:
Spain
Denmark
Ireland
Luxembourg
The EU's plan to suspend all financial aid to the Palestinian Authority has been blocked by 4 EU states:
Spain
Denmark
Ireland
Luxembourg
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:19 pm to Burt Orangello
quote:
If you knew what you were talking about in the first place and not defended a non-factual statement, you wouldn't have had to move the goalposts.
Oh, you can't read?
Carry on.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:20 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Until Israel (under the auspices of self defense) forcibly removes the Palestinian population either by elimination or forced exile.
The problem is that no other Arab nation wants Palestinians, especially after decades of breeding post-brain drain. They would not be sending their best.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
They were all warned before attacking.
A luxury that the poor Jewish people living near Gaza didn’t get…..
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:20 pm to Burt Orangello
quote:
A) Israel pushes the Palis completely out of Gaza and the WB, taking it all
Evacuate those residents who are still left in Gaza and the WB to Iran.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:22 pm to MrLSU
"The Israeli authorities announce that the bodies of 108 civilians were found on the first day of searches at the Be'eri Kibbutz"
Visegrad24
Visegrad24
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:24 pm to MrLSU
Bodycam video of Hamas entering Kibbutz Kissufim.
A dog tries to chase the terrorists away but is shot.
They then enter the home of an Israeli family, open their fridge and set the house on fire.
Visegrad24 Warning Hamas kills Labrador Retriever
A dog tries to chase the terrorists away but is shot.
They then enter the home of an Israeli family, open their fridge and set the house on fire.
Visegrad24 Warning Hamas kills Labrador Retriever
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:26 pm to MrLSU
"Hezbollah began mobilizing thousands of fighters on the border." -Channel 13
Mario Nawfal
"Iran's goal is to draw the US into a broader conflict: senior intelligence source tells me."
- Fox News Chief National Security Correspondent Jennifer Griffin"
Mario Nawfal
"Iran's goal is to draw the US into a broader conflict: senior intelligence source tells me."
- Fox News Chief National Security Correspondent Jennifer Griffin"
Posted on 10/9/23 at 2:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
They were all warned before attacking.
They literally have no where to go, don’t try to justify war crimes.
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