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Posted by beerJeep
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:42 am to
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sugar71


You are, quite literally, subhuman.
Posted by Klondikekajun
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:05 am to
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as of 2021 the Arab population has grown +2% over the past decade to 6.5%


I suspect that in the last 2 years, that number has gone up significantly, maybe not to 15%, but much higher with the immigration free for all going on world-wide.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 11:53 am to
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Lucas Tomlinson
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BREAKING: U.S. military’s European Command says 5 American service members killed when their aircraft crashed into the Mediterranean Sea during air-to-air refueling.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 11:54 am to
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( with no real army)


They have an Army, Navy and Air Force.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 1:45 pm to
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Disclose.tv
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JUST IN - Israel is seeking to install former British prime minister Tony Blair as a "humanitarian coordinator" for the Gaza Strip — TOI


https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1723784487928995901
Posted by lsuguy84
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 2:44 pm to
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Taiwan media broke the news that the CCP sent its corps of engineers from Egypt into Gaza to help Hamas build the tunnel network. After Israel attacked Gaza, Hamas refused to release the CCP engineers.


Well that’s interesting. I’d be interested in the Chinese calculus on responding or not given their goals, but also our presence in the region.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 5:33 pm to
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Sorry I listened to a Fox talking head. I looked it up and as of 2021 the Arab population has grown +2% over the past decade to 6.5%


Why didn't you link your source? I felt like that was still significantly off so I looked it up.

2021 UK census figures= .6%

uk.gov



Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 6:06 pm to
You are a literal Nazi.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 6:50 pm to
You are splitting hairs and I don’t know exactly why. You believe what you want but .6% is laughable! Keep looking up Arab stats when in reality we are talking about the so called “religion of peace”.

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According to the 2011 Census, 2.7 million Muslims lived in England and Wales, up by almost 1 million from the previous census, where they formed 5.0% of the general population[3] and 9.1% of children under the age of five.[4] According to the latest 2021 United Kingdom census, 3,801,186 Muslims live in England, or 6.7% of the population. The Muslim population again grew by over a million compared to the previous census.
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Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 6:51 pm to
Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 7:31 pm to
Arab wasn’t a census selection until 2011 with many prior selecting something else. I knew arabs selecting white when they immigrated to the US years ago. In UK some of those Asian other, mixed other, other, and even white other probably have some Arabs mixed in.

Just focusing on England the issue is islam at 6.7% 2021 in England which was up from 3.1% in 2001. Muslim population in England grew 250% in total from 1.5 million in 2001 to 3.8 million in 2021. The term gets used interchangeably with arab at times just like middle eastern. Asia is used differently in UK than here making it more confusing.
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Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 7:34 pm to
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According to the 2011 Census, 2.7 million Muslims lived in England and Wales, up by almost 1 million from the previous census, where they formed 5.0% of the general population[3] and 9.1% of children under the age of five.[4] According to the latest 2021 United Kingdom census, 3,801,186 Muslims live in England, or 6.7% of the population. The Muslim population again grew by over a million compared to the previous census.


You're looking at stats for the Muslim population, which is not the same thing as the Arab population. Pakistan has many Muslims, and presumably, many Pak UK immigrants are Muslim. But they're not Arabs. Same holds for Indian, Bangladesh, and Indonesian immigrants. May be Muslim, but definitely not Arabs.
Posted by riverdiver
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 7:43 pm to
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Why didn't you link your source? I felt like that was still significantly off so I looked it up. 2021 UK census figures= .6% uk.gov


Depends where you look, and who’s doing the polling.

Widely varying numbers, from 6% to 15%.

That’s based on who answers the polls.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 7:57 pm to
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Aviva Klompas
@AvivaKlompas

A photo of Gaza babies has appeared all over social media saying they were taken out of their incubators because the hospital doesn’t have electricity.

The thing is there’s also an uncropped photo that clearly shows a functional electrical monitor in the background.

Did Hamas endanger these babies for their propaganda war?


https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1723842500232626484/photo/1
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:05 pm to
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You're looking at stats for the Muslim population, which is not the same thing as the Arab population. Pakistan has many Muslims, and presumably, many Pak UK immigrants are Muslim. But they're not Arabs. Same holds for Indian, Bangladesh, and Indonesian immigrants. May be Muslim, but definitely not Arabs.


Once again I conflated Arab and Muslim. There are Christian Arabs. However, the so called “religion of peace” is the real issue. You have groups with the Muslim world that even though they are Paki’s align with Pali Terrorist group. You have Sunni Pali’s aligning with Shiti Iran. So let’s stop splitting hairs (and yes up front I used the term Arab….sorry shoot me, I spent enough time in Raghead land I should be a little more aware) when we are talking about Muslims and the fact they don’t assimilate and their core values don’t generally align with Democratic societies.
This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 6:58 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:10 pm to
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Did Hamas endanger these babies for their propaganda war?

Of course they did.
Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:23 pm to

Flip-flop looking sandals worn by hospital staff.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:26 pm to
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You are splitting hairs and I don’t know exactly why. You believe what you want but .6% is laughable! Keep looking up Arab stats when in reality we are talking about the so called “religion of peace”.


I am not splitting hairs, this is what you said:

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Saw this morning that 15% of the UK population is Arab immigrants.


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I looked it up and as of 2021 the Arab population has grown +2% over the past decade to 6.5%


That is dead wrong and if you had been to London in the last few years you would know it is dead wrong. You are conflating Muslims subset population with Arabs Immigrant subset population. I am willing to bet the vast majority of the Muslims in the UK are Pakistani, not Arab Immigrants, and the majority of them were either born in England or immigrated in the 50s and 60s.

I can't help you type things that are different from what you think you are saying and you failed three time to bother citing your source. If you had done that then I could have corrected your mistake. Keep in mind your first statement was Arab immigrants made up 15% of a country's population that is 87% white. I knew that was bullshite and called you on it then you can back with a different number that was only a magnitude off of reality.


Just accept your statements I said were wrong were indeed wrong as written. I can't read your mind and know you don't know that Arab immigrant and Muslim populations can be very different-sized subsets of a larger population.


Note I am not arguing that Muslims don't pose a problem in the UK just that your numbers were laughable as written.

Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:31 pm to
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You're looking at stats for the Muslim population, which is not the same thing as the Arab population. Pakistan has many Muslims, and presumably, many Pak UK immigrants are Muslim. But they're not Arabs. Same holds for Indian, Bangladesh, and Indonesian immigrants. May be Muslim, but definitely not Arabs.



Once again we are conflating Arab and Muslim. There are Christian Arabs. However, the so called “religion of peace” is the real issue. You have groups with the Muslim world that even though they are Paki’s align with Pali Terrorist group. You have Sunni Pali’s aligning with Shiti Iran. So let’s stop splitting hairs (and yes up front I used the term Arab….sorry shoot me, I spent enough time in Raghead land I should be a little more aware) when we are talking about Muslims and the fact they don’t assimilate and their core values don’t generally align with Democratic societies.

This post was edited on 11/12 at 8:10 pm






I'm not conflating anything. YOU'RE the one who said the UK was 15% Arab. If you don't believe me, go to p.321 and re-read your response.

I'm wasn't trying to split hairs, but give a direct response to your post. I haven't been to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, or even the UK. But I can read and your post said "15% Arab". I wasn't trying to start an argument over semantics. Just trying to illustrate how a mistake may have occured in your analysis. That's all.

frick you. (I know I typed frick You, but I meant Have a Nice Day. Don't try to split hairs.)
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