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re: Is this the most divided our nation has been in your lifetime?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:56 pm to fallguy_1978
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:56 pm to fallguy_1978
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The younger generations are more liberal than the few that preceded them and there are starting to have more influence over national elections
We've been hearing that for a long time. If you had told someone that Trump would have a chance to win an election after Clinton/Bush/Obama, they'd have laughed you off the face of the earth.
I agree on your Texas point, that is a concern.
But I'd counter that with more and more folks in the "younger generation" who are coming into money and having families will lean away from these some of the more radical ideas. You're seeing it with mass exodus from cities as we speak.
It's natural/cyclical progression that enabled Reagan to get elected and remain so popular.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 3:48 pm
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:02 pm to _Hurricane_
Politically, yes. News Media, yes. Culturally, yes. Entertainment, 50/50.
Political affiliation/ideology is the new primary dividing force in mass media, not color. Conservatives or conservative leaning people are treated like negros were before the 80s. At some point we're going to need a WET but of course it'll be called racist and pushed into a corner (liberals will argue that it's racist and the BET model doesn't apply...hypocrites.)
Here's the thing. My great great great grandfather was in the Civil War. Regardless of what you want to argue was the primary cause, in totality that war was fought between two sides who were much less than we are now. As Americans we are lucky Pelosi got out because I have very little doubt that her death at the hands of one of those crackheads would've sparked a series of events leading to a war. I am concerned that we are only one similar event away from it (especially after the 20th.) The only difference being Battle lines being set around urban areas rather than one north/south line.
So yes, as a Gen X member this is a divided as I've ever seen. The demonization both sides throw at each other is as unhealthy we can be for a democracy to withstand. You want to talk about insurrection and sedition? How about the Speaker of the House asking the military to support a coup against the sitting President? Then you have statehood for a shithole and a swamp, court packing, and a complete abolishment of the filibuster. All things opening mused about by the sleazebag from NY and the bar ho/"squad" in the House. Any of which would bring out the far right militias making last Wednesday look like a refined tea party. God help us all if that happens.
ETA: Finally! Parler is going after Amazon and Twitter for monopolistic practices.
Political affiliation/ideology is the new primary dividing force in mass media, not color. Conservatives or conservative leaning people are treated like negros were before the 80s. At some point we're going to need a WET but of course it'll be called racist and pushed into a corner (liberals will argue that it's racist and the BET model doesn't apply...hypocrites.)
Here's the thing. My great great great grandfather was in the Civil War. Regardless of what you want to argue was the primary cause, in totality that war was fought between two sides who were much less than we are now. As Americans we are lucky Pelosi got out because I have very little doubt that her death at the hands of one of those crackheads would've sparked a series of events leading to a war. I am concerned that we are only one similar event away from it (especially after the 20th.) The only difference being Battle lines being set around urban areas rather than one north/south line.
So yes, as a Gen X member this is a divided as I've ever seen. The demonization both sides throw at each other is as unhealthy we can be for a democracy to withstand. You want to talk about insurrection and sedition? How about the Speaker of the House asking the military to support a coup against the sitting President? Then you have statehood for a shithole and a swamp, court packing, and a complete abolishment of the filibuster. All things opening mused about by the sleazebag from NY and the bar ho/"squad" in the House. Any of which would bring out the far right militias making last Wednesday look like a refined tea party. God help us all if that happens.
ETA: Finally! Parler is going after Amazon and Twitter for monopolistic practices.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:10 pm to STLhog
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This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:22 pm to Scruffy
The left is winning the culture war. I don't think there's any doubt of that.
And younger millennials and Gen Z are starting to have major influences on elections and they are Democrat voters by a fairly wide margin.
ETA - Scruffy is paranoid about posting. You have someone trying to cancel you?
And younger millennials and Gen Z are starting to have major influences on elections and they are Democrat voters by a fairly wide margin.
ETA - Scruffy is paranoid about posting. You have someone trying to cancel you?
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:27 pm to fallguy_1978
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And younger millennials and Gen Z are starting to have major influences on elections and they are Democrat voters by a fairly wide margin.
It's not just that. Many of my friends from college, especially the younger ones who are the earlier millenials, have actually gotten more liberal as they got older...which blows my mind. Just about every one that was libertarian during college has gone full blown woke. They have families, and now value safety over damn near everything, to include personal freedom, and expect the government to provide it, no matter the cost.
Almost every one of them voted for Biden because "he'll make things safe again" and fully by in to the idea that "you need to worry more about doing the right thing than your rights."
The "right thing" of course whatever Daddy Government says it is.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:36 pm to Centinel
I don't keep up with too many of my friends from college anymore because I don't have social media.
I grew up in a pretty conservative suburb and most people I know from childhood are still that way. I have a sister who's a Bernie/Beto supporter though.
We have a teenager and another in her 20s. They are almost shamed into being woke these days.
I grew up in a pretty conservative suburb and most people I know from childhood are still that way. I have a sister who's a Bernie/Beto supporter though.
We have a teenager and another in her 20s. They are almost shamed into being woke these days.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:40 pm to Scruffy
I saw data that said Trump's voter turnout for 30-44 improved vs 2016?
Is that false?
Democratic voting also decreased 6 points from Obama peak in 2008 for the 18-29 demographic.
Trust me, very possible I'm swinging and missing but that is what I read and my opinion posted was purely personal assessment.
Not touting it as "Fact", purely opinion for discussion here and would welcome information on the contrary.
Is that false?
Democratic voting also decreased 6 points from Obama peak in 2008 for the 18-29 demographic.
Trust me, very possible I'm swinging and missing but that is what I read and my opinion posted was purely personal assessment.
Not touting it as "Fact", purely opinion for discussion here and would welcome information on the contrary.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:45 pm to fallguy_1978
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The left is winning the culture war. I don't think there's any doubt of that.
That war has been over since Nixon man. Reagan did his best but that was a futile effort.
Like I said, I see one of the the primary reason for Regan's resurgence was a disastrous economy combined with disastrous foreign policy.
^ I think the above will be a massive factor in the direction of the country, specifically the Dems.
I am choosing to be more optimistic and hope this is cyclical.
All that being said, there's a lot of smart people in here (and dumb) and I welcome alternative perspectives.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:14 pm to fallguy_1978
A blanket thought I have regarding this past election: We have two politicians in their 70’s running for presidency. Our Speaker of the House is now 80.
These people don’t represent any majority based on age alone. Their needs to be new blood politicians holding these highest of high positions.
These people don’t represent any majority based on age alone. Their needs to be new blood politicians holding these highest of high positions.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:25 pm to STLhog
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Democratic voting also decreased 6 points from Obama peak in 2008 for the 18-29 demographic.
Most of the people in that age group I know were Bernie or nothing. They refused to vote for Biden and so stayed home.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:28 pm to TexasTiger08
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A blanket thought I have regarding this past election: We have two politicians in their 70’s running for presidency. Our Speaker of the House is now 80.
These people don’t represent any majority based on age alone. Their needs to be new blood politicians holding these highest of high positions.
We are being governed by a bunch of geriatrics. I've got nothing against older people but there's no way they are in touch with most of the voting public.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:28 pm to LegendInMyMind
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career politicians
Term limits
We should not allow career politicians. Neither Nancy Pelosi, nor Mitch McConnell, should be in Washington representing Cali and Alabama.. They had their time to contribute to the betterment of their country. They should both be off the tit, seeing what the real world is all about..
If we had term limits, we wouldn't be worrying about huge campaign contributions influencing the way our representatives vote.
My brother thinks the Gerrymandering states have done are a big problem. Thinks it insures a conservative or a liberal get elected. Says it leads to more extreme candidates and representatives.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:31 pm to fallguy_1978
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We are being governed by a bunch of geriatrics. I've got nothing against older people but there's no way they are in touch with most of the voting public.
Exactly my thoughts. I think local elections seem to do well electing people who actually represent them. Regardless of which party you favor, I can’t imagine either one of these candidates really embody the thoughts of their supporters.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:32 pm to fallguy_1978
I know some people, young and older, that were not very political until about a year or two ago. Couldn’t even tell you the difference in policies of Dems or Rep. Now they’re full on about politics and love people like Harris.
It’s also because Republican Party is seen as the party of old white Christian people.
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We have a teenager and another in her 20s. They are almost shamed into being woke these days.
It’s also because Republican Party is seen as the party of old white Christian people.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:35 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Now they’re full on about politics and love people like Harris.
I know people who voted for Biden because "Trump is an a-hole". Yet, they couldn't name a single policy position of either candidate.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:36 pm to STLhog
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there's a lot of smart people in here (and dumb) and I welcome alternative perspectives.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:37 pm to fallguy_1978
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We are being governed by a bunch of geriatrics. I've got nothing against older people but there's no way they are in touch with most of the voting public.
Let's not forget how out of touch they are regarding the impact of these data collecting companies mass entities tied into the NSA.
Tons of it happened right under their noses because they simply had NO idea that expanse and the capability.
Along with being completely clueless how serious these current censorship measure are. They have no idea.
I don't even think Pelosi emails. Biden sure as hell doesn't.
That's pathetic.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:39 pm to fallguy_1978
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I know people who voted for Biden because "Trump is an a-hole".
All my wife's friends think like this. I was like holy frick, do you not look at your husbands 401K or that the economy is off the hook. Nope, all they think about is Orange Man bad.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:39 pm to STLhog
The senate hearings with Facebook and other tech companies are so embarrassing. Those people have no clue what’s going on
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:39 pm to 1BamaRTR
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It’s also because Republican Party is seen as the party of old white Christian people.
It will likely get bad enough that these folks are willing to vote for someone that is a little more in the center on these topics and is able to capture a portion of what is left of the "moderate" left.
That is my hope anyway.
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