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re: Is this the most divided our nation has been in your lifetime?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:27 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:27 pm to LegendInMyMind
Explain how a libertarian non etablibishment can take power
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:32 pm to LegendInMyMind
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There is an easy solution. It will never happen, but it would fix most all of the issues. It is a two-fold approach:
1. Implement term limits. This would end the reign of the career politician. No good comes from it. Politics should not be looked at as a career path. It is a civic duty, a service to the country and its people. The fact that it has become a means to become a multi-millionaire is bad all the way around.
2. Reign in the power of the Executive Branch, specifically the over-reliance on Executive Orders. It has gotten out of hand and beyond the original intent. We've allowed the President to wield too much power, thus eliminating the impact of the Legislative Branch. When four or eight years can be undone with a few strokes of the pen, real progress is impossible. Force the legislative process to become the focus of our political system again. This would hold our representatives in the House and the Senate accountable and force them to work together.
I agree on point #2, and Congress is well within their right to take back some of that power.
I disagree on #1, unless we are talking lengthy term limits - say 8 terms for House and 4 terms for Senate. Those are just arbitrary numbers I threw out. A bigger impact on this issue would be campaign finance reform. It's insane that an incumbent can start a race with millions of dollars already in his or her war chest, usually before a primary or general opponent is even determined.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:37 pm to The Spleen
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I disagree on #1,
Why?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:41 pm to chRxis
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I dunno... maybe... I do know that Biden has a long track record of reaching acrosss the aisle, so there may be possible good faith efforts to try and bridge the divide, but then again, he could go the opposite way, bc that's what some are demanding him do within his party...
Just yesterday he said he was going to primarily try to help minority owned businesses and then white businesses. And then you have Kamala who will be the President by this time next year. They are not reaching across the aisle and are actively silencing anyone who remotely disagrees with them. People were bewildered why I voted for Trump, and it's not because I like him, but fear of what is going on right now, and it's only going to get worse once they have both the Presidency and the Senate.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:43 pm to OMLandshark
I don't think Biden is a left winger at heart but he'll have to throw some bones to the progressive wing which is taking over the Democrat party. Kamala is a wildcard if she gets into power.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:45 pm to fallguy_1978
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I don't think Biden is a left winger at heart but he'll have to throw some bones to the progressive wing which is taking over the Democrat party. Kamala is a wildcard if she gets into power.
The problem is Biden is a corpse. He has never been in the real equation for what's going to happen. He's a skin suit for the Radical Left and Big Tech Oligarchs to take absolute power over all of us. Whatever Biden actually thinks is irrelevant going forward.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:48 pm to fallguy_1978
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Kamala is a wildcard if she gets into power
No, she's not a wildcard. She's got a rather clear track record of being a ruthless authoritarian statist.
The progressive left absolutely adore her because of it.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:50 pm to fallguy_1978
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I don't think Biden is a left winger at heart but he'll have to throw some bones to the progressive wing which is taking over the Democrat party. Kamala is a wildcard if she gets into power.
Both Biden and Kamala have a long history of keeping black people in check, and that’s what many of their voters wanted, (the white ones) and that’s what they’ll continue to do
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:53 pm to LSUJML
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My Grandpa was born in 1926
He did homework by oil lamp & pumped water from a well
They used an outhouse
This still happens in west Virginia
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:53 pm to _Hurricane_
Yes
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:54 pm to Centinel
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No, she's not a wildcard. She's got a rather clear track record of being a ruthless authoritarian statist.
The progressive left absolutely adore her because of it.
I don't know a ton about her. I'm not really a political junky and I find it best for me just to ignore politics most of the time. I find out about most big political events on here
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:56 pm to fallguy_1978
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I find out about most big political events on here ?
Can't imagine what 9/11 would've been like on here
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:57 pm to Centinel
quote:lol what are you talking about? the progressive left hates her
The progressive left absolutely adore her because of it.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:57 pm to OldmanBeasley
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Why?
A few reasons. One, I think our Legislature is already severely broken because it lacks a deep bench of members with experience in drafting good bills. That leaves the bill writing to lobbyists and special interests. That isn't always good for the general public. Term limits would exasperate that problem, unless the limits are several terms. 6 years for House members would be 12 years, and I think that'd be the minimum that would be effective. 4 terms for Senators would be 24 years, and I think that would be the minimum.
Another reason is I think we already have term limits at the ballot box. If you think someone has been in office long enough, vote for his or her opponent. Of course that may require voting for someone ideologically opposed to your views.
But the most important reason is it skirts the real issue with Congress, and that is campaign finance reform. I think that is a bigger issue that needs addressing, and would be ignored in a situation where term limits are imposed.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:58 pm to The Spleen
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One, I think our Legislature is already severely broken because it lacks a deep bench of members with experience in drafting good bills
Yea, the 5000 page relief bill put out by the old geezers already in really could have benefitted from some more experienced congressmen writing it
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:16 pm to fallguy_1978
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This country is going to lurch hard left in the next decade. The progressive wing of the Democrat party will be running everything. I'm not necessarily talking about Biden.
You don't know that with certainty. Obama, who was a historic candidate was essentially unseated because of the economy.
If there is not significant economic recovery out of Covid, led by the democratic party, they will be feeling the heat.
A big reason much of this has blown up in Trumps face is because there wasn't a whole lot else to bitch about.
That combined with the fact of his total inability to curb his own ego at every turn has fueled the flames.
Find a more relatable conservative candidate and you've got yourself a viable campaign for MANY Americans.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:17 pm to STLhog
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Obama, who was a historic candidate was essentially unseated because of the economy.
lolwut?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:17 pm to rustyshackleferd
Probably, because I was too young to remember the turmoil of the '60s.
I also think this is unprecedented due to the 24/7 partisan monster that is big tech, the MSM, and Hollywood doing the bidding for the democratic party. Never has the population been so divided, and those entities so unanimous. ...
Something's gotta give.
I also think this is unprecedented due to the 24/7 partisan monster that is big tech, the MSM, and Hollywood doing the bidding for the democratic party. Never has the population been so divided, and those entities so unanimous. ...
Something's gotta give.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:27 pm to Centinel
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lolwut?
I meant on paper, his rhetoric, "change" etc. He had all the signs of 16 straight years of a blue president.
Much of Trump winning came down to a slow recovery, minimal actual healthcare reform and his inability/lack of action in getting us out of the Middle East.
Granted Hillary was a monumental mistake but the points stands around how quickly the democratic platform can fall apart if the economy is shitty or slow in growth.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:46 pm to STLhog
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You don't know that with certainty. Obama, who was a historic candidate was essentially unseated because of the economy.
If there is not significant economic recovery out of Covid, led by the democratic party, they will be feeling the heat.
A big reason much of this has blown up in Trumps face is because there wasn't a whole lot else to bitch about.
That combined with the fact of his total inability to curb his own ego at every turn has fueled the flames.
Find a more relatable conservative candidate and you've got yourself a viable campaign for MANY Americans.
The younger generations are more liberal than the few that preceded them and there are starting to have more influence over national elections. You've also got traditional red states going blue. Once Texas flips, there won't be a path to the presidency for a conservative for the foreseeable future.
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