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re: Is this the most divided our nation has been in your lifetime?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 11:06 am to _Hurricane_
Posted on 1/11/21 at 11:06 am to _Hurricane_
I actually see the anger and frustration from BLM, Antifa, and a lot of Trump supporters as very similar.
The marginalized people in the media, entertainment, justice system, etc. all have legitimate anger over a structurally flawed system. A recent example was congress's inability to agree with a Covid relief bill for 5+ months, and when it finally came out, it was a $900 billion disappointment with hardly anything for the people most impacted by the Covid related shutdowns. The government nearly outlawed a huge portion of our economy and severely impacted small business and their employees. Then they failed to help the people impacted, instead throwing hundreds of billions into foreign governments to indirectly line their own pockets and satisfy the lobbyists.
Those are just recent examples of how tone deaf our lawmakers are. Their strategy for addressing this is to deflect blame to someone or something else (Iraq, Trump, rich people, poor people, religious people etc.) and set the sides apart.
They've found that they don't really have to do anything or even bother appealing to moderate voices if they (and their friends in the media) can set both sides against each other with superficial social issues. So we get fiery debates over gender pronouns or who is being more unfairly treated in popular culture.....but nothing is ever really done to even address the real issues.
The marginalized people in the media, entertainment, justice system, etc. all have legitimate anger over a structurally flawed system. A recent example was congress's inability to agree with a Covid relief bill for 5+ months, and when it finally came out, it was a $900 billion disappointment with hardly anything for the people most impacted by the Covid related shutdowns. The government nearly outlawed a huge portion of our economy and severely impacted small business and their employees. Then they failed to help the people impacted, instead throwing hundreds of billions into foreign governments to indirectly line their own pockets and satisfy the lobbyists.
Those are just recent examples of how tone deaf our lawmakers are. Their strategy for addressing this is to deflect blame to someone or something else (Iraq, Trump, rich people, poor people, religious people etc.) and set the sides apart.
They've found that they don't really have to do anything or even bother appealing to moderate voices if they (and their friends in the media) can set both sides against each other with superficial social issues. So we get fiery debates over gender pronouns or who is being more unfairly treated in popular culture.....but nothing is ever really done to even address the real issues.
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 11:15 am to _Hurricane_
Born in 60 and grew up watching the Vietnam war and protests on TV every day. Don't remember any time our nation was so divided and so deeply in my life.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 11:19 am to dewster
Something else that I don’t know how you fix: governing 330m people is difficult and messy. Mistakes will be made. There’s time for legitimate criticism of problems but people have to be able to show the other side some grace. This just isn’t going to happen though in a two party system with an evaporating center
Posted on 1/11/21 at 11:59 am to Cocotheape
agreed - mistakes will happen, and it is messy - but until politicians stop accepting the mistakes and messiness as the "norm" and not try to make any meaningful changes, then we will stay right where we are, if not back slide further down the slope.
unfortunately there is no real cut and dry answer to make things better - no-one is willing to compromise on things that will help matters, and until all sides are willing to reach some sort of middle ground, no meaningful change can be made.
unfortunately there is no real cut and dry answer to make things better - no-one is willing to compromise on things that will help matters, and until all sides are willing to reach some sort of middle ground, no meaningful change can be made.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:03 pm to MarcusATLSU
quote:
e all believe we're entitled to our preference and we treat it like it's life and death.
This is seen on both sides of the aisle. Not merely a liberal or conservative issue.
I do not agree. There was no large opinion on the right that proscribed left wing views. You would have to go back to McCarthyism to find that.
The cancel culture is a creature solely of the left. The right is starting to adopt it as a reaction.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:20 pm to Thracken13
quote:
unfortunately there is no real cut and dry answer to make things better
There is an easy solution. It will never happen, but it would fix most all of the issues. It is a two-fold approach:
1. Implement term limits. This would end the reign of the career politician. No good comes from it. Politics should not be looked at as a career path. It is a civic duty, a service to the country and its people. The fact that it has become a means to become a multi-millionaire is bad all the way around.
2. Reign in the power of the Executive Branch, specifically the over-reliance on Executive Orders. It has gotten out of hand and beyond the original intent. We've allowed the President to wield too much power, thus eliminating the impact of the Legislative Branch. When four or eight years can be undone with a few strokes of the pen, real progress is impossible. Force the legislative process to become the focus of our political system again. This would hold our representatives in the House and the Senate accountable and force them to work together.
These two actions would change our government for the better virtually overnight. However, they do not want this. When chaos and bickering reigns it makes it much easier on the elected officials. They, regardless of letter or color of politics, desire to keep the people bickering over pointless matters. This makes it all the easier for them to continue raping this country.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:21 pm to Cocotheape
quote:
governing 330m people is difficult and messy.
It's difficult and messy if you try and do so from a central government. Not as difficult if you leave most of the government up to state and local government. That way you keep the governing close to those governed. The closer the government is to the people, the more effective it is.
Which was the entire reason this country was founded the way it was. But we've tossed that shite out the window for a DC Bureaucracy/Technocracy that has injected itself in to every single aspect of our lives.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:39 pm to Chicken
quote:No. Hard working and educated are not the same as wealty.
could "lazy" and "hard working" be used for poor and wealthy in this sentence? How about "uneducated" and "educated"?
Its survival of the fittest for the poor but kumbaya all for 1, 1 for all for the rich.
Give working class people money there is outrage everywhere!!! Inflation this .... welfare that.
Give billion dollar corporations money: business as usual
Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:43 pm to Centinel
quote:
But we've tossed that shite out the window for a DC Bureaucracy/Technocracy that has injected itself in to every single aspect of our lives.
This country is going to lurch hard left in the next decade. The progressive wing of the Democrat party will be running everything. I'm not necessarily talking about Biden.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:46 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
Hard working and educated are not the same as wealty.
Most wealthy people are one of the two, if not both
Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:46 pm to fallguy_1978
Of course it is. They were able to pull off ballot harvesting at the national level, known as "Mail in Voting".
That won't be going anywhere.
"Sign on this form to continue to receive your government benefits. We'll take care of everything else for you."
That won't be going anywhere.
"Sign on this form to continue to receive your government benefits. We'll take care of everything else for you."
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:10 pm to OldmanBeasley
quote:The slimmest chance.
slight chance
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:13 pm to double d
quote:
Born in 60 and grew up watching the Vietnam war and protests on TV every day. Don't remember any time our nation was so divided and so deeply in my life.
I wasn't around then, I was born in 72 but I have to think that our enemies are watching this shite go down inside our country, laughing their arses off, and thinking these guys are on the brink of going to war between themselves.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:15 pm to MWP
The last year has probably been a very good one for China even though it didn’t start off that way.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:15 pm to fallguy_1978
Biden is a holdover from the 90s, he also come from a different class of people. Politics was a ladder, and a good way to get rich. People like AOC share his middle class background, be she’s a true revolutionary, and she wants to reshape the country in a way that the DLC Democrats, like Biden, did not.
I agree with you - I expect the revolutionaries to take over.
I agree with you - I expect the revolutionaries to take over.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:19 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:
I think it's going to get worse.
I dunno... maybe... I do know that Biden has a long track record of reaching acrosss the aisle, so there may be possible good faith efforts to try and bridge the divide, but then again, he could go the opposite way, bc that's what some are demanding him do within his party...
guess we'll see... I like you fallguy... I know our discussion took a little turn yesterday, I hope there's no hard feelings
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:21 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:
There is an easy solution. It will never happen, but it would fix most all of the issues. It is a two-fold approach:
1. Implement term limits. This would end the reign of the career politician. No good comes from it. Politics should not be looked at as a career path. It is a civic duty, a service to the country and its people. The fact that it has become a means to become a multi-millionaire is bad all the way around.
2. Reign in the power of the Executive Branch, specifically the over-reliance on Executive Orders. It has gotten out of hand and beyond the original intent. We've allowed the President to wield too much power, thus eliminating the impact of the Legislative Branch. When four or eight years can be undone with a few strokes of the pen, real progress is impossible. Force the legislative process to become the focus of our political system again. This would hold our representatives in the House and the Senate accountable and force them to work together.
These two actions would change our government for the better virtually overnight. However, they do not want this. When chaos and bickering reigns it makes it much easier on the elected officials. They, regardless of letter or color of politics, desire to keep the people bickering over pointless matters. This makes it all the easier for them to continue raping this country.
sir, I only have the one upvote to give...
I ABSOLUTELY agree with you, 10000000%
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:22 pm to dewster
quote:
I actually see the anger and frustration from BLM, Antifa, and a lot of Trump supporters as very similar.
The marginalized people in the media, entertainment, justice system, etc. all have legitimate anger over a structurally flawed system. A recent example was congress's inability to agree with a Covid relief bill for 5+ months, and when it finally came out, it was a $900 billion disappointment with hardly anything for the people most impacted by the Covid related shutdowns. The government nearly outlawed a huge portion of our economy and severely impacted small business and their employees. Then they failed to help the people impacted, instead throwing hundreds of billions into foreign governments to indirectly line their own pockets and satisfy the lobbyists.
Those are just recent examples of how tone deaf our lawmakers are. Their strategy for addressing this is to deflect blame to someone or something else (Iraq, Trump, rich people, poor people, religious people etc.) and set the sides apart.
They've found that they don't really have to do anything or even bother appealing to moderate voices if they (and their friends in the media) can set both sides against each other with superficial social issues. So we get fiery debates over gender pronouns or who is being more unfairly treated in popular culture.....but nothing is ever really done to even address the real issues.
EXACTLY... very well said... perfect summation of what's going on, honestly
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:25 pm to chRxis
quote:
guess we'll see... I like you fallguy... I know our discussion took a little turn yesterday, I hope there's no hard feelings
I don't get my feelings hurt over a message board. I just find it interesting to discuss what's going on in the country
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:26 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:
I don't get my feelings hurt over a message board. I just find it interesting to discuss what's going on in the country
cool... I just wanted to clear that up, like I said I like you as a poster, and I'm sure you're probably a nice person outside of here too... if I didn't like you, I wouldn't have reached out like this, but just wanted to keep it kosher, for future interactions and shite...
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