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re: Is the OT with the dock workers or against?
Posted on 10/1/24 at 9:52 pm to thadcastle
Posted on 10/1/24 at 9:52 pm to thadcastle
Greeday frickers need to get back to work!
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Posted on 10/1/24 at 10:06 pm to yellowfin
quote:Not a fan of unions either; they did serve a needed and useful purpose at one point for sure. They have a role today too, but that role is different.
I’m always against unions
The real problem is "closed shops". Employment being contingent on belonging to that union. Sounds good to the worker... but it gives too much power to the union bosses and eventually ruins that "shop", possibly the whole business because of exactly what we are seeing here: driving costs up beyond the point where the consumer can tolerate it (cheaper options will emerge) and the lack of incentive to modernize or achieve maximum efficiency.
Someone else put it, not for the first time, unions are a parasite that eats it's host. I'd modify that to unions in a closed shop is a parasite that eats it's own host.
In a non-closed shop the union has to compete for the workers loyalty (and dues). They have to provide a service to those members; in a closed shop they are a "captive audience". If you don't like what the union is doing, then you have to work elsewhere.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 10:11 pm to thadcastle
It will all be automated in time.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 10:11 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Bible!
What are they asking for? I’ve heard they’re wanting something like a 75% pay raise. Is that true?
Essentially that and a ban on automation, lol. fricking ludite recalcitrants.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 10:58 pm to thadcastle
I’m in favor of both sides trying to leverage what they can. Let the market decide.
On a personal note, I think the union demanding literally zero automation is a fricking pipe dream.
On a personal note, I think the union demanding literally zero automation is a fricking pipe dream.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 11:07 pm to Joshjrn
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On a personal note, I think the union demanding literally zero automation is a fricking pipe dream.
But how will Ziggy misplace cans?
Frank is still trying to get the grain pier built... from the grave.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 11:16 pm to Joshjrn
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Let the market decide.
The market has decided, and it will automate. Unions screw the market up, backed by government and fear. There is no fair negotiation when you have to pay Davis Bacon wages to people that don't deserve it, etc. I know you know that, but most of the OT has no idea of the tens of thousands of pages of regulations which limit the "free market."
It's cheaper to put two $4k kiosks in a Burger King than it is to pay some shitbird to f up your order. Unloading unisize containers that are parked in the same place, all the time, is a sub-Tetris problem that kids in Junior High can solve.
If you were a crane operator before, and now there is no job, perhaps you can be a safety inspector or verify load weights, etc., but that's too hard to think about. Must shite in a bucket 100 yards above the ground, that's pride, baw.
We go through this kind of shite everytime Puerto Rico gets wiped out, and the Jones act comes up, and everyone just sort of shrugs. Nobody cares but econ dorks.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 11:55 pm to Havoc
Potatus Pilate in quite possibly a final fricka you to those that left their steely knives hanging out of his carcass has officially washed his cold, dead hands of the matter.
frick this POS…
But frick the DNC even more, they’re a match made in Hell. So they’re perfect for each other.
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The US Chamber of Commerce had urged Mr Biden to use his authority to push back the walkout for 80 days saying it “would be unconscionable to allow a contract dispute to inflict such a shock to our economy”.
However, the president said on Sunday he did not plan to intervene.
frick this POS…
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A third generation ILA member, the longshoreman has worked for the union for 57 years, becoming the international president in July 2011. Despite his eminent blue collar credentials, the union baron earned $728,000 last year from the ILA, plus another $173,000 as president emeritus of a local union branch
But frick the DNC even more, they’re a match made in Hell. So they’re perfect for each other.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:04 am to thadcastle
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 9:34 am
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:38 am to Boomdaddy65201
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Potatus Pilate in quite possibly a final fricka you to those that left their steely knives hanging out of his carcass
Hell yes. Tell me what Sonic you need me to meet you at to throw hands in your support.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:49 am to LemmyLives
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 9:33 am
Posted on 10/2/24 at 4:41 am to thadcastle
I'm about 90% againt all Labor Unions.
United States has labor laws now, we don't need Unions anymore. Sure, 70 years ago when people were forced to work 12-18 hours with fewbreaks in unsafe conditions we needed the protection of a Union. We don't need that anymore.
United States has labor laws now, we don't need Unions anymore. Sure, 70 years ago when people were forced to work 12-18 hours with fewbreaks in unsafe conditions we needed the protection of a Union. We don't need that anymore.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 4:47 am to CHEDBALLZ
quote:It's not just labor laws. Unions demanded the creation of OSHA to manage workplace safety. Unions have achieved all goals, except for $$, and they will keep moving the goal posts until it breaks something.
United States has labor laws now, we don't need Unions anymore.
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 4:49 am
Posted on 10/2/24 at 5:00 am to thadcastle
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F this union
This one and every other one.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 5:17 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I would be more for this in this context if we knew the automation deployed was designed and built in America.
What's to stop the ports from essentially ceding their ops to the CCP?
While you're not wrong, we have already ceded most of our manufacturing outside of the United States as well.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:21 am to Proximo
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I think they turned down a 50% raise already and they want protections against robots
Do they not realize that what they're doing now is how we get robots?
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:22 am to thadcastle
I don’t understand how unions are not considered a labor monopoly and thus are illegal.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:24 am to thadcastle
frick them. When they say they are ok with hurting the American people, especially in the wake of this disaster, for the betterment of their job, then there is nothing left to say.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:31 am to PrimeTime Money
Don’t worry, China will open a port and fully automate it. Shippers will choose between the port that costs more and is slower vs the cheap and efficient one…
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:32 am to PrimeTime Money
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I don’t understand how unions are not considered a labor monopoly and thus are illegal.
This is one of the questions that I have been pondering, these labor unions were designed to protect workers against monopolies of employers but they've turned into the very thing that they were meant to defeat.
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