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re: Is my nostalgia organic or was it manufactured by people selling products?
Posted on 11/4/21 at 12:41 pm to weagle99
Posted on 11/4/21 at 12:41 pm to weagle99
Organic Nostalgia is a term probably coined by an Ad Man to sell some old but still used shite like Werthers (sp?) candy or biscuits or some shite.
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 12:49 pm to weagle99
Maybe you were manufactured.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 12:52 pm to DaleGribble
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Whether it's kids playing outside, watching things like Bugs Bunny and the Three Stooges that your parents and maybe even grandparents had watched when they were kids, or even something as trivial as how society looks at smoking now, when you grew up seeing cigarette machines everywhere you went and a book of matches and an ashtray were on every table.
My sister in law (brother's wife) is sort of "stuck in the past". When my nephew was a kid, she would only put on the cartoons or movies she grew up watching and I always found that odd.
Each generation has their own thing and while something like the three stooges was something that several generations watched, there was still things that only people from each generation can identify with.
The first thing that comes to mind is the show Saved By The Bell. Most people who grew up in the 90s at least has an idea of what the show is. So like my sister-in-law, I think it is selfish to only expose your kid to what you grew up on.
With that said, it does seem like today.. Everything is just recycled (thanks to Disney) and that all of the new stuff is just lazily and cheaply created.
And one day there will be adults feeling nostalgic about watching kids open up toys on youtube.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:09 pm to weagle99
Most of the nostalgia i feel is just moments spent with my family and friends that I’m reminded of that in no way are connected with something that can be purchased or recreated.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:12 pm to weagle99
Music for me, I don't really consider that consumerism. I'm not making tradeoffs for listening to one song.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Music is as much a commodity as everything else. The distribution and monetization model is just different.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:26 pm to weagle99
You don’t experience nostalgia for a certain meal your mom or grandma used to cook for you? Or the way the woods or water would smell if your dad took you on a hunting or fishing trip?
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:03 pm to weagle99
People my age age are way too into nostalgia. To the point it’s pretty disturbing
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:14 pm to weagle99
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Is my nostalgia organic or was it manufactured by people selling products?
Nostalgia is a form of escapism. Some people like the memories of the past, so they become nostalgic. Some people had bad pasts and seek solace in the imagined future (si-fi, NASA fetishization, etc).
Just as the past set our present and our present determines our future, we should focus on the now. Not in a hedonistic disregard for the past or a reveling in the transient, but on constructing a sense of peace of self with an eye toward a better future.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:15 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
I think people use nostalgic entertainment properties much like many people abuse mind altering substances, to escape trauma. They want to escape something in their daily lives that depresses them by indulging in nostalgic entertainment to live in their childhood where that “trauma” wasn’t present.
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:17 pm to weagle99
I’m 36 and I have been programmed from birth with TV ads, etc.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:17 pm to HuskyPanda
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Now my son just gets whatever the frick he wants that we order from Amazon.
This, plus there is some app where he requests games on his Xbox and my wife just buys them and they show up. He will never know what it was like waiting at midnight in the freezing cold on a MONDAY night for the Tuesday drop of a big game.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:25 pm to kingbob
quote:strong agree. i assume disney adults (just an example) had something terrible happen to them.
I think people use nostalgic entertainment properties much like many people abuse mind altering substances, to escape trauma.
i know people from high school who dont have kids and go to disney every year and are always posting about watching disney movies. find a therapist lol. that shite is not healthy.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:32 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
It's only not healthy when people take it to a level in which they shite all over everybody else and are irresponsible with it.
I see nothing wrong with having an addiction that isn't drugs/alcohol, gambling, sex, food, work, etc. Those are all different. But something as innocent as Disney? So what. I think those people are kind of weird too, but they have just as much a right to do what they want as you and I do.
I see nothing wrong with having an addiction that isn't drugs/alcohol, gambling, sex, food, work, etc. Those are all different. But something as innocent as Disney? So what. I think those people are kind of weird too, but they have just as much a right to do what they want as you and I do.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:33 pm to blackinthesaddle
quote:i would argue gen z and younger gen y need to embrace hedonism a little bit more. i don't have any numbers to back this up but i would bet way less lsu students are going to tigerland than 10, 20, and 30 years ago. people are more focused on living online, projecting a weird faux-virtuous existence.
Not in a hedonistic disregard for the past or a reveling in the transient, but on constructing a sense of peace of self with an eye toward a better future.
tim dillon has some great bits about how joyless/sexless this generation is and i tend to agree. to paraphrase one of them, "in my day, being gay meant having sex with other men. now it means dying your hair pink and having sex with no one."
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:34 pm to weagle99
The bottomline is that we all get nostalgic once we start getting older and realize that we've lived close if not half of our lives. And then it's fun to go back on the things we grew up with.
If anybody doesn't get that I have one thing to say. Keep waking up every morning. You'll get it one day.
If anybody doesn't get that I have one thing to say. Keep waking up every morning. You'll get it one day.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:42 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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i would argue gen z and younger gen y need to embrace hedonism a little bit more.
Part of focusing on the now is doing things you enjoy with purpose and a care for others. So, yes, they need to have sex if they want to have sex, they need to party if they want to party, etc. But, hedonism is making your life all about the moments you enjoy with a disregard to others and the future.
So, I agree with your sentiment for the most part. Many are cowed by concern for what others think, they let others view of them dictate how they act, because many of them have been taught to have no confidence in their own abilities as they haven't really been given the tools to take care of themselves (a lot of them are the ipad and doordash generation).
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:46 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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ou're right. WE NEED CIGARETTE MACHINES IN THE SCHOOLS!
You might want to look up to get the point that I was trying to make. It's up there^.
Good or bad, when things disappear that were the norm for multiple generations, it can make things seem a little off and make you nostalgic for how things used to be.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:47 pm to RealityTiger
Everyone is trying to fill a hole. Some people try to fill it via a more toxic method than others. While overindulge in nostalgic properties (think Scarlet Witch literally immersing herself in a sitcom to escape the death of her brother and her husband) is far less toxic than abusing meth or heroin, the most healthy method would be to find a way to resolve the trauma.
Maybe it is forgiving oneself for the death of a relationship, maybe it’s coming to terms with a severe loss, maybe it’s learning to age gracefully, etc. The reality is that living in the past is unhealthy, though less toxic than abusing drugs. People need to learn how to face and overcome the trauma in their lives rather than simply be taught to avoid, repress, and ignore it long enough to get through their work shift.
As for me, I had a lot of emotional baggage from the death of my marriage which coincided with the end of law school and a career being throttled in the womb, forcing me to move back in with my parents in my late 20’s. While I eventually got my career somewhat together and moved out, I have had repeated relapses into debilitating depression. Through therapy, I was able to get help unpacking some of the baggage from my marriage only to discover lots of old crap that had been piled up since childhood.
Therapy helped some, but I am still struggling deeply. My career is still in the crapper as the symptoms make sustaining performance at a high pressure job difficult to maintain. The financial pressure this places on me only adds to the pressure to seek escapism.
I have been there and seen how it is comforting but not fulfilling. The more you indulge, the more of your life you throw in the hole chasing that comfort. It’s like a black hole. It’s beautiful, but get too close and the gravity pulls you in.
It was so much easier to just indulge in nostalgic tv, movies, and music rather than focus on work, bills, social pressures, and loneliness, especially during Covid when lockdowns made doing literally anything else nearly impossible.
Maybe it is forgiving oneself for the death of a relationship, maybe it’s coming to terms with a severe loss, maybe it’s learning to age gracefully, etc. The reality is that living in the past is unhealthy, though less toxic than abusing drugs. People need to learn how to face and overcome the trauma in their lives rather than simply be taught to avoid, repress, and ignore it long enough to get through their work shift.
As for me, I had a lot of emotional baggage from the death of my marriage which coincided with the end of law school and a career being throttled in the womb, forcing me to move back in with my parents in my late 20’s. While I eventually got my career somewhat together and moved out, I have had repeated relapses into debilitating depression. Through therapy, I was able to get help unpacking some of the baggage from my marriage only to discover lots of old crap that had been piled up since childhood.
Therapy helped some, but I am still struggling deeply. My career is still in the crapper as the symptoms make sustaining performance at a high pressure job difficult to maintain. The financial pressure this places on me only adds to the pressure to seek escapism.
I have been there and seen how it is comforting but not fulfilling. The more you indulge, the more of your life you throw in the hole chasing that comfort. It’s like a black hole. It’s beautiful, but get too close and the gravity pulls you in.
It was so much easier to just indulge in nostalgic tv, movies, and music rather than focus on work, bills, social pressures, and loneliness, especially during Covid when lockdowns made doing literally anything else nearly impossible.
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 11/4/21 at 3:12 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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in my day, being gay meant having sex with other men. now it means dying your hair pink and having sex with no one.
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Many are cowed by concern for what others think, they let others view of them dictate how they act, because many of them have been taught to have no confidence in their own abilities as they haven't really been given the tools to take care of themselves
The social pressures against social activities are higher than they have been since the 1950’s despite the propaganda surrounding hedonistic lifestyles. Everything you do is documented, and can be used against you socially, educationally, or economically at any moment if you do anything outside the unwritten rules which change daily and are retroactive. Throw in a lack of social activities brought on by litigious minded schools, helicopter parents, and covid restrictions, and you get a huge chunk of a generation that has serious social anxiety and a profound difficulty at interpersonal communication.
Compounding this issue, or perhaps because of it, dating apps and hookup culture results in a small number of men with top tier looks and competent social skills essentially hoarding harems of women while those who are above average and below, as well as those who aren’t as socially skilled, are left with very few dating options. This is bad for women as well, as the men they chase have zero incentives to settle down and little incentive to even use protection, resulting in an explosion of single-motherhood, causing the dating stock of those women to plummet dramatically.
Women don’t learn that they’re being played and kept in a stable and keep chasing those men because they give them attention and even sex, enough to think they have a chance, until they get older and are no longer attractive to even the average, but stable, folks they spurned.
This results in everyone, but a small minority of men, having far less sex, and an ever shrinking percentage of men and women finding comparable mates to form long term relationships with. Fewer long term relationships means fewer marriages. Fewer marriages greatly reduces the ability of the generation to build wealth, resulting in higher debt and lower standards of living than previous generations. Further increasing pressure to seek escapism online rather than put one’s energy into failing at relationships.
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 3:14 pm
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