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re: Is it possible to improve EBR School
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:28 pm to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:28 pm to ThuperThumpin
Yep, it's a catch 22. If everyone went to public school it would be much better but people won't do it until it's much better.
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:31 pm to ThuperThumpin
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If wealthier white and black families re-engaged could these schools improve?
not gambling with my kid's life. sorry
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:43 pm to Jones
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not gambling with my kid's life. sorry
That is fair and that was essentially the pov I had prior to sending my kid to an EBR school. Granted ours is not located in the hood and this was for kindergarten not high school.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:43 pm to ThuperThumpin
I don’t see it happening because all the stakeholders involved will heavily resist change.
I think that it would take an end to bussing and the severe downsizing of the magnet program so that schools will have capable students as opposed to the C, D, and F kids they have now.
The magnet changes would be incredibly controversial because that program is one of the few bright points for the school system. Unfortunately, its success comes at the expense of cannibalizing the other schools in the system.
The system can’t keep shutting off every competent kid to a magnet school while playing three card monte with students in the regular program to stave off state takeovers of schools.
I think that it would take an end to bussing and the severe downsizing of the magnet program so that schools will have capable students as opposed to the C, D, and F kids they have now.
The magnet changes would be incredibly controversial because that program is one of the few bright points for the school system. Unfortunately, its success comes at the expense of cannibalizing the other schools in the system.
The system can’t keep shutting off every competent kid to a magnet school while playing three card monte with students in the regular program to stave off state takeovers of schools.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:47 pm to ThuperThumpin
the only way EBR improves is if they get rid of the top heavy administration, rewards for tenure and move back from the desegregation issue and back to local schools.
Shipping kids across town makes it difficult for the parents who already don't care enough to be a part of their child's education.
Shipping kids across town makes it difficult for the parents who already don't care enough to be a part of their child's education.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:50 pm to ThuperThumpin
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So now that forced bussing is gone what would happen if families started to send their kids back to these neighborhood schools? If wealthier white and black families re-engaged could these schools improve?
It wasn't just a shift of kids to private schools. Before the deseg, people who had dreams of being teachers became public school teachers. The system hired the best. They had the best principals. They had a school board with a real agenda to make the district as good as it could be. Upper middle school families sent their kids to upper middle class schools.
But we're now almost 2 working generations past that point. The best teachers move away or take a lower paying job to teach in private schools. Legacies of mother and daughter teachers in the same private schools. It's just too far gone. The last real swath of successful, white public school alums are grandparents now, many of whom later paid into a private school system for their own kids. These kids have married other private school grads and created a cultural shift that's just kind of unbreakable in my eyes.
It's a weird thought but if St George becomes a city, the EBRSS would probably fare better being next to a successful school district in their own parish than the trend it's headed towards now.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:52 pm to Motorboat
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move back from the desegregation issue and back to local schools. Shipping kids across town makes it difficult for the parents who already don't care enough to be a part of their child's education
Forced bussing no longer exists. The kids are bussed in because nobody from the neighborhood uses the schools so EBR doesnt build new schools. Like another poster said its currently a catch 22 situation now. The schools could be filled with neighborhood kids and EBR would be forced to build new schools but that is not happening.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:52 pm to ThuperThumpin
You need to improve the families first.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:56 pm to Giantkiller
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It wasn't just a shift of kids to private schools. Before the deseg, people who had dreams of being teachers became public school teachers. The system hired the best. They had the best principals. They had a school board with a real agenda to make the district as good as it could be. Upper middle school families sent their kids to upper middle class schools. But we're now almost 2 working generations past that point. The best teachers move away or take a lower paying job to teach in private schools. Legacies of mother and daughter teachers in the same private schools. It's just too far gone. The last real swath of successful, white public school alums are grandparents now, many of whom later paid into a private school system for their own kids. These kids have married other private school grads and created a cultural shift that's just kind of unbreakable in my eyes. It's a weird thought but if St George becomes a city, the EBRSS would probably fare better being next to a successful school district in their own parish than the trend it's headed towards now.
You make some great points.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:03 pm to ThuperThumpin
Possible?
Yes.
Clean 3/4 of the school board employees out of that ratty office and place them at de-centralized schools...get this...working for that particular school. Let the other dozen or so do the Rhesus monkey work needed to be done (HR).
Let Drake operate and give power to the principals. Stop allowing kids who are using school as a socializing ground and lunch room to have 9 chances pending hearings.
Create magnet programs in all middle schools. Offer introductory AP courses at 8th grade. Pay the teachers stipends for teaching those courses.
Make the coke machines 3 dollars per can.
Let security officers sell dope in the rest rooms to students who passed their last quiz or test.
Teach gangbanger wanna be's how to philosophize over tea and scones as opposed to starting a fight that 22 brothers and cousins jump in.
But...where the hell is that money even gonna come from?
No chance.
Yes.
Clean 3/4 of the school board employees out of that ratty office and place them at de-centralized schools...get this...working for that particular school. Let the other dozen or so do the Rhesus monkey work needed to be done (HR).
Let Drake operate and give power to the principals. Stop allowing kids who are using school as a socializing ground and lunch room to have 9 chances pending hearings.
Create magnet programs in all middle schools. Offer introductory AP courses at 8th grade. Pay the teachers stipends for teaching those courses.
Make the coke machines 3 dollars per can.
Let security officers sell dope in the rest rooms to students who passed their last quiz or test.
Teach gangbanger wanna be's how to philosophize over tea and scones as opposed to starting a fight that 22 brothers and cousins jump in.
But...where the hell is that money even gonna come from?
No chance.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:04 pm to ThuperThumpin
What neighborhood schools? The closest Hugh shook tonthe people of st George is lee high and it’s a magnet school. There is no public highschool on the south side of the parish.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:04 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Well the reason these majority white neighborhood schools have majority black student population from other areas is because no one in the neighborhood uses them
yea because they bus kids from out of the neighborhood into their neighborhood school. Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:06 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Woodlawn?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:07 pm to ThuperThumpin
Lunch with the Supe
A great opportunity to find out about what EBR schools are striving for and perhaps an opportunity to share your opinion with administrators.
A great opportunity to find out about what EBR schools are striving for and perhaps an opportunity to share your opinion with administrators.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:07 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
I agree with you 100%
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:07 pm to OysterPoBoy
Don't pass the kids if they can't make grades. Make them repeat the grade.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:09 pm to ThuperThumpin
As Doubled posted in the other thread in comparison to a couple ISD's in Houston area which have amazing schools.
Rough analysis-
EBR spends $10,755.00 per student
Zachary $9,780.00 per student
Katy ISD $8,596.00 per student.
Cy_Fair spends $7,967.00 per student.
I can tell you that Cy-Fair is building 4-5 new schools every year and constantly upgrading.
Starting teacher salary in Cy-Fair ISD is $53K with BS. EBR $44,500.00 with a BA degree,$48,400.00 with a PHD.
One has to wonder what EBR is spending their money on.
Rough analysis-
EBR spends $10,755.00 per student
Zachary $9,780.00 per student
Katy ISD $8,596.00 per student.
Cy_Fair spends $7,967.00 per student.
I can tell you that Cy-Fair is building 4-5 new schools every year and constantly upgrading.
Starting teacher salary in Cy-Fair ISD is $53K with BS. EBR $44,500.00 with a BA degree,$48,400.00 with a PHD.
One has to wonder what EBR is spending their money on.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:11 pm to Mudminnow
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As Doubled posted in the other thread in comparison to a couple ISD's in Houston area which have amazing schools.
Rough analysis-
EBR spends $10,755.00 per student
Zachary $9,780.00 per student
Katy ISD $8,596.00 per student.
Cy_Fair spends $7,967.00 per student.
I can tell you that Cy-Fair is building 4-5 new schools every year and constantly upgrading.
Starting teacher salary in Cy-Fair ISD is $53K with BS. EBR $44,500.00 with a BA degree,$48,400.00 with a PHD.
One has to wonder what EBR is spending their money on
most people dont wonder. I wonder why some people arent in jail because of it.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:15 pm to ThuperThumpin
Has it improved at all since the first St George incorporation effort? Any new schools built in the southern part of the parish? Anything at all beyond lip service?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:22 pm to CarRamrod
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yea because they bus kids from out of the neighborhood into their neighborhood school.
Like I said its a catch 22 now but its not a forced bussing/desegregation order thats bring them in.
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