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re: Is Daily Concealed Carrying An Acceptance Of A Pessimistic View Of Life/Humanity?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:45 pm to fallguy_1978
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:45 pm to fallguy_1978
Concealed carry permit holders commit crime at a lower rate than law enforcement officers.
Some states used to keep track of it but the number was so low that the money spent keeping track of it was wasted. Then again this was years back when data collection was more difficult.
But I doubt the figures have changed much at all. It’s simple - responsibly armed people don’t want to screw up and break the law. They are much more aware of the law with the big responsibility of carrying a gun.
Some states used to keep track of it but the number was so low that the money spent keeping track of it was wasted. Then again this was years back when data collection was more difficult.
But I doubt the figures have changed much at all. It’s simple - responsibly armed people don’t want to screw up and break the law. They are much more aware of the law with the big responsibility of carrying a gun.
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Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:52 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Good thing you gots all them super Ninja skills.
I don't carry, or own a gun.
I also don't live my life scared of what could possibly happen to me.
Since I don't got none, I have to settle for a G19 -- 24/7
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:53 pm to bapple
Gun ownership has increased and yet the violent crime rates have decreased. I'm not saying the causation/correlation between those two is legitimate, but if the more guns = more murders people want to go there, the data doesn't support their theory at all.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:54 pm to shutterspeed
quote:And ...............
Getting a flat isn't really a question of if, but when.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:56 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
I can look at crime statistics and the likelihood that you accidentally (or intentionally) shoot yourself, is higher than the likelihood that you use it to protect yourself.
No you can't. No such data exists that proves such a notion. You are clearly a very ignorant person that has a very poor education on this subject.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:57 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:WTF? You ever took a tactical meteor defense class ??
What if a fricking meteor falls from the sky and kills me?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 11:01 pm to GrammarKnotsi
quote:Tom Givens tells us that you don't get to pick when you'll need your gun.
I didn't say I don't carry, I simply back the OP idea that its not needed 24/7
Someone else gets to decide. He doesn't need your approval, and you'll typically get informed at the very last second.
Unless of course you live in BF Kansas.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 11:07 pm to Clames
LINK
Here’s some fake news, feel free you provide your supporting documentation.
quote:
In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens.
Here’s some fake news, feel free you provide your supporting documentation.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 11:11 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Here’s some fake news, feel free you provide your supporting documentation.
quote:
In particular, a 2013 study ordered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and conducted by The National Academies’ Institute of Medicine and National Research Council reported that, “Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence”: Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.
LINK
That's a lot of anal probing
This post was edited on 12/27/18 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 12/27/18 at 11:28 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
feel free you provide your supporting documentation.
From your sad, pathetic attempt with low-IQ Google research...
quote:
David Hemenway, who led the Harvard research, argues that the risks of owning a gun outweigh the benefits of having one in the rare case where you might need to defend yourself.
David Hemenway has made his career on thoroughly debunked pro-gun-control "research". You think anyone biased against gun-ownership is going to provide unbiased, objective research? Laughable how ignorant you are about what you post.
Dr. Hemenway is still trying to push the now discredited resesrch of Dr. Arthur Kellermann, whose study I'm sure you've never actually read but has become a common talking point for the ignorants like you.
LINK
Posted on 12/27/18 at 11:36 pm to upgrayedd
The best part about the CDC's summary is that they only looked at research that met certain quality criteria. Notably a lot of Hemenway's work didn't fit that criteria as did almost all of the studies the CDC bankrolled during the 1990's. Dr. Kleck himself sat on the CDC's committee for that report.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 11:41 pm to Clames
Do you have a PhD in this bullshite or something?
You seem to be quite invested.
Do you have any valid studies if the one that was referenced is considered invalid? How often is a gun used in self defense? How often by a CCL holder? Or, is it impossible to know because data isn’t tracked on that (not reported, etc...)?
ETA: is this fake news too? LINK
I’m seriously looking for valid information. I feel like everywhere I look is going to be biased one way or another.
You seem to be quite invested.
Do you have any valid studies if the one that was referenced is considered invalid? How often is a gun used in self defense? How often by a CCL holder? Or, is it impossible to know because data isn’t tracked on that (not reported, etc...)?
ETA: is this fake news too? LINK
I’m seriously looking for valid information. I feel like everywhere I look is going to be biased one way or another.
This post was edited on 12/27/18 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 12/27/18 at 11:56 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
You seem to be quite invested.
You seem to be an imbecile.
quote:
Do you have any valid studies if the one that was referenced is considered invalid? How often is a gun used in self defense? How often by a CCL holder?
Did you not just see the post mentioning that DGU's are a very common occurence straight out of the CDC's report? The FBI tracks non-criminal homicides involving a firearm but mostly from LEA's. WISQARS doesn't track the data specific to CCW holders. In the last 10 years or so the number of state-issued CCW permits has more than tripled yet for some reason all these extra people running around strapped aren't having Wild West shootouts. Nothing shows that there has been a commensurate uptick in negligent shooting injuries either.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 12:01 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
ETA: is this fake news too? LINK
The VPC is the gold standard in fake news when it comes to this topic. God damn you are clueless
The VPC only equates valid DGU's to those that resulted in someone dying and from the UCR which only gets data from law enforcement agencies on a voluntary basis. You aren't seriously looking, you are just tossing out first page Google results from biased sources.Posted on 12/28/18 at 12:12 am to Clames
1. I told you that I was searching for non biased sources and asked for them.
2. I really don’t care all that much about this shite as it doesn’t affect me, so I’m not going to put in hours of research looking for scholarly articles in journals without direction. The OP asked for an opinion and I gave one
3. You didn’t answer my question regarding the PhD. Why would a normal person know all of this bullshite about gun statistics?
4. You’re probably a redneck who is scared of his own shadow
ETA: your avatar is a picture of ammunition, what color is your F250?
2. I really don’t care all that much about this shite as it doesn’t affect me, so I’m not going to put in hours of research looking for scholarly articles in journals without direction. The OP asked for an opinion and I gave one
3. You didn’t answer my question regarding the PhD. Why would a normal person know all of this bullshite about gun statistics?
4. You’re probably a redneck who is scared of his own shadow
ETA: your avatar is a picture of ammunition, what color is your F250?
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 12:14 am
Posted on 12/28/18 at 12:21 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
4. You’re probably a redneck who is scared of his own shadow
ETA: your avatar is a picture of ammunition, what color is your F250?
You're not helping your "I'm not against guns" routine.
You're the equivalent of the "I'm a hunter but you don't need x gun" retard that somehow thinks his opinion is valid despite having no working knowledge of the subject.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 5:17 am to upgrayedd
Most of the people I know that carry 24/7 are no different than the Harley owners dressed to the nines in leather with their SOA starter kit.
It is simply a way to role play and feel powerful and edgy to take away from the monotony of life. Live in a safe suburb? Work a boring desk job? Bossed around at home by your wife? Just carry a gun everyday and all of a sudden you're no longer a suburb douche but you're living on the edge.
It is simply a way to role play and feel powerful and edgy to take away from the monotony of life. Live in a safe suburb? Work a boring desk job? Bossed around at home by your wife? Just carry a gun everyday and all of a sudden you're no longer a suburb douche but you're living on the edge.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 5:28 am to TopFlightSecurity
I'm too skinny to comfortably carry without printing. frick a 380, I'd rather have a cap gun
My shield 9 still doesn't work anywhere else but jacket
My shield 9 still doesn't work anywhere else but jacket
Posted on 12/28/18 at 5:30 am to shutterspeed
quote:
So what are your reasons behind the decision to carry or not carry daily?
It's a chance at an opportunity to save someone's life.
Glass half full, bro
Posted on 12/28/18 at 5:31 am to TopFlightSecurity
quote:
that carry 24/7 are no different than the Harley owners
Not close to the same thing
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