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re: Is ADHD a hoax to keep psychiatrists in business?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:12 am to BabyTac
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:12 am to BabyTac
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Obviously, if someone isn't interested in something they're not going to be focused and have a shorter attention span. There are some things 'like certain topics in school' that we just have to suck it up and get thru.
Don't think this is true. I actually enjoyed learning some of the material I had in school, but had a really hard time sitting through an hour and a half lecture to learn it. Doesn't mean I don't like the topic, just had a hard time with it. I can't even sit through a favorite movie for an hour and a half without fooling around on my phone or something that takes my attention away from it.
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The problem is nobody want to 'suck it up' anymore and want to control their life with a pill.
This however is partly true. I'll admit that I would abuse the ability to get my studying done in a much shorter time. As in if I had a test on Monday, I'd probably study all weekend for it, but with the pills, I could still get drunk on Friday and start studying later on Saturday.
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:12 am to Rex
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Is ADHD a hoax
No
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Is ADHD a hoax to keep psychiatrists in business?
In some cases but not all
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:12 am to Rex
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:14 am to Rex
Yes, but not in all cases. Do your research. There is a huge range of behavior that could potentially warrant a diagnosis of ADHD. The pharmaceutical companies have special conferences and massive publications of intentionally ambiguous and vague information all to push the sell of these very profitable drugs. A psychiatrist will use any number of ridiculous reasons to diagnose your child with this condition. Naturally the diagnosis will take a several visits and the tests cost around $1000 each. Worse off is that many teachers will support this cause, because they know it makes their job a little easier. The overdiagnosis of this condition in children disgusts me. Pharmaceutical companies are shameless, but that's nothing new.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 9:16 am
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:18 am to Rex
I certainly don't believe ADHD is a sham. I do believe it is over-diagnosed along with plenty of other mental illnesses. Everyone know seems to be on some sort of Adderall or Ritalin for their ADHD, Ativan or Valium for their anxiety, and Effexor and Prozac for their depression. Some people seriously need these medicines. You can't deny that. However, I would dare say 50% of the people medicated are too quick....to eager seek that quick-fix remedy instead of broadening the scope and observing their situation from afar. Unfortunately, doctors are quick to comply with the prescriptions.
Depression, anxiety, concern...it's a natural part of life. People hit low spots, ruts, and go through difficult periods (moving to a new city, passing of a family member, changing jobs or careers, etc.) We should embrace these difficult times and use it to strengthen us and mold us into a better, more well rounded person. Not seek a little pill to help us cope.
Just my $0.02.
Depression, anxiety, concern...it's a natural part of life. People hit low spots, ruts, and go through difficult periods (moving to a new city, passing of a family member, changing jobs or careers, etc.) We should embrace these difficult times and use it to strengthen us and mold us into a better, more well rounded person. Not seek a little pill to help us cope.
Just my $0.02.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:19 am to KG6
That's just life man. That's the way you were born. You're not supposed to take a pill to give you the ability to be as smart as someone else.
Hell, I love basketball, but I'm not good enough to play college or the NBA and frankly got burnt out over time if I spent every waking moment trying to. If only there was a pill to get me there or help me to have the same passion for it as Michael Jordan.
Hell, I love basketball, but I'm not good enough to play college or the NBA and frankly got burnt out over time if I spent every waking moment trying to. If only there was a pill to get me there or help me to have the same passion for it as Michael Jordan.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:21 am to Rex
[/URL][/img] Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:31 am to BabyTac
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That's just life man. That's the way you were born. You're not supposed to take a pill to give you the ability to be as smart as someone else.
To an extent I understand what you are saying. But I've taken IQ tests that take several days to complete and was placed in gifted classes from a young age (way before I ever was diagnosed). I'm not saying that as a brag or anything, but if I'm paying attention, I have an ability to learn that would be considered "above average". On a base level, you might say, I am as smart as someone else. If you teach something and I'm paying attention, I'm going to likely catch on faster than most. But it's difficult for me to pay attention. That in itself is what ADD is about. Not a performance enhancer to make you smarter, but to make you concentrate. If you took a pill that allowed you to practice basketball as much as anyone could, you still wouldn't be as good as Michael Jordan most likely, so it's not the same.
And again, I have said that it's not some cut and dry "disease" or "disability". But it's also not just cheating and taking a pill that makes you smarter. If you told me I couldn't take it, I still would have gotten the same degree and I wouldn't complain. But it did make it easier and I likely got better grades than I would have.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 9:44 am
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:34 am to misterc
I can say without a doubt ADHD is a real condition. Way over diagnosed though. Mostly to lazy parents with undisciplined kids.
It wasn't until my early 30's that I was prescribed medication for it and my life has changed drastically for the better. Without it, I can barely stay on topic, even when I am dealing with things I like. I will end up just staring at a wall or something, day dreaming about random things.
I made it through 8 years of college and started a career without it, but the whole process would have been so much easier with help. It has nothing to do with effort, caring, or intelligence.
It wasn't until my early 30's that I was prescribed medication for it and my life has changed drastically for the better. Without it, I can barely stay on topic, even when I am dealing with things I like. I will end up just staring at a wall or something, day dreaming about random things.
I made it through 8 years of college and started a career without it, but the whole process would have been so much easier with help. It has nothing to do with effort, caring, or intelligence.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:34 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Psychologists, who generally lack prescribing privileges--except for a couple of states, and those are limited--have always been major proponents of behavioral and psychotherapy methods. I don't think it's fair or accurate to place blame on psychologists.
On the other hand, schools, psychologists and pharmaceutical companies appear to have colluded to at least massively overdiagnose and overprescribe these drugs for this "condition".
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:41 am to BabyTac
quote:But ADHD medications do not make someone smarter. They may improve performance in cognitive processing areas that are most greatly impacted by attention (e.g., working memory, processing speed) which may bring an IQ score up a point or two; however, they don't make a person more intelligent, just allows for increased efficiency and maximization of the abilities they already have.
That's just life man. That's the way you were born. You're not supposed to take a pill to give you the ability to be as smart as someone else.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:52 am to Rex
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A six year old is still making brain connections, learning language and social etiquette... and you had him tested for ADD?
I don't wish to be rude, but how in the world did you expect any sort of valid assessment of your child? Did he even have the capacity to intelligently participate in his own evaluation?
Do you have an MD? Have you ever studied psycology or even the anatomy of the brain?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:53 am to Rex
Real but over diagnosed to cover for crappy parenting and to keep Docs in business.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:55 am to buckeye_vol
Read up on Dr. Allen Frances and his opinions on ADHD, the autism spectrum, and mental illness in general.
This is the guy that chaired the committee developing the DSM-IV (the resource that defines and decides what mental illnesses are)
His thoughts on the changes from the DSM-IV (1994) to DSM-V (2013) are very interesting
This is the guy that chaired the committee developing the DSM-IV (the resource that defines and decides what mental illnesses are)
His thoughts on the changes from the DSM-IV (1994) to DSM-V (2013) are very interesting
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:56 am to TigerMyth36
It's real. Medication does not fix it though. The only way to do that is years of one on one attention from parents and likely intervention from a therapist. So naturally, our shitty parents these days choose to just give them the pill.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:59 am to Rex
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My problem with adults has been that they use their "diagnosis" as an excuse for undisciplined behavior.
In my law school, getting an ADHD diagnosis meant untimed exams. Which is bullshite.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:00 am to Bunk Moreland
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I do think that regular child hyperactivity is being overdiagnosed.
This
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:31 am to YouAre8Up
We tell kids in 2nd grade that they need to be in a desk for 7 hours a day. That's 8 year olds. Adults can't do that very well long less 8 year olds.
I teach special education and work with kids who have Add or adhd+ another learning disability. More times than not, they do not have ADD or ADHD. It is way over diagnosed. Of the 40 or so kids I've have diagnosed with ADD only about 5 really needed their meds. They would walk in the door and I can tell if they have had their morning pill or not.
A lot of kids can get off the meds and retrain their brains. It takes time and a bunch of patience and practice. Having supporting home life is a major plus.
Last, Medicaide does not pay doctors unless they make a NEW diagnosis. So they tack on new diagnosis to get paid. It fricking sucks.
I teach special education and work with kids who have Add or adhd+ another learning disability. More times than not, they do not have ADD or ADHD. It is way over diagnosed. Of the 40 or so kids I've have diagnosed with ADD only about 5 really needed their meds. They would walk in the door and I can tell if they have had their morning pill or not.
A lot of kids can get off the meds and retrain their brains. It takes time and a bunch of patience and practice. Having supporting home life is a major plus.
Last, Medicaide does not pay doctors unless they make a NEW diagnosis. So they tack on new diagnosis to get paid. It fricking sucks.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:39 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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But consenting adults should be able to get their hands on whatever they want to make their lives better and more productive.
I don't disagree with this notion, just the comparison that adults are freely choosing to take medication that may not be medically necessary, while children (victims, really) of the ADHD "hoax" to use Rex's characterization, don't really have a choice.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:39 am to Rex
I can't believe I agree with Rex, but yes, it's a scam.
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