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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by TomJoadGhost
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:26 pm to
You should watch the 3 episode series on Netflix about it. It gives a pretty decent overview of the saga without getting bogged down in the weeds. The original podcast gets more into the weeds. It is an insane story.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:27 pm to
Ignorant commenting about questions on the law and crime link.

No the jury shouldn't be influenced because an expert witness is paid $600 an hour. The litigator on this show should have spoke up that expert witnesses are usually paid a lot of money.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:32 pm to
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No the jury shouldn't be influenced because an expert witness is paid $600 an hour.


I think jurors often use experts as cover to take a position they already hold.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:34 pm to
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You should watch the 3 episode series on Netflix about it. It gives a pretty decent overview of the saga without getting bogged down in the weeds. The original podcast gets more into the weeds. It is an insane story.


Netflix was good. I though the interviews with those kids was powerful. But I really didn't think Netflix got much into the actual evidence concerning the murders of the son and wife. Maybe I fell asleep during that part!
Posted by TomJoadGhost
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:37 pm to
It definitely focused more on the boat accident and the aftermath of that. It didn’t go very far into the other deaths, but gave a decent overview of them.

I’m glad the kids on the boat got to tell their story and I appreciated how candid they were in them. That couldn’t have been easy for them.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:38 pm to
I have NOT followed this one closely, so excuse me if this has been beat to death.

Why two different weapons? That does suggest two shooters. What is the prosecution's theory why there would be two murder weapons?
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:39 pm to
seemed on the netflix one they way too easily connected buster with that hit and run, they had nothing but rumors. Just riding along with some random chick telling us what she heard may have happened. That seemed a tad irresponsible
Posted by Corso
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:41 pm to
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Discussing asking the jury if they want to go to Moselle-



I saw a little while ago the judge said yes to this. Any idea what the schedule is going to look like now?
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:43 pm to
This is a pre planned murder, not a crime of passion. Alex thought this out in a way to make it look like it was anyone else but him that killed them. Using 2 different guns was just part of the subterfuge
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:47 pm to
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Alex thought this out in a way to make it look like it was anyone else but him that killed them. Using 2 different guns was just part of the subterfuge


That's one sneaky dude, if true.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:50 pm to
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Why two different weapons? That does suggest two shooters. What is the prosecution's theory why there would be two murder weapons?


I didn't start following this more closely until the cross examination of AM. But I've watched a lot of the legal thoughts after each break.

From what I can tell, the 2 weapons would be because AM has been an attorney for a long time, and knew that by using 2 weapons, it would imply 2 different shooters, and harder to pin it on him.

Bottom line, the biggest negative against AM is that the brutality suggests someone with a great deal of anger. In cases like this, it more often is someone that knows the victims well, like close family member. The mother and the son were the 2 biggest people that were trying to get AM to stop his opiate addiction.

And what gets me the most, AM lied about where he was just prior to the murder, as well as where he was after. He didn't admit the lie until a video came out proving that he was there just prior. His only explanation was that he was paranoid about law enforcement, of which he was one and was in bed with most of the players.

There's more evidence, like his phone being turned off during the murder, etc. But for me, very difficult to get past why, if he was innocent, he would lie about his whereabouts before and after.

I think he set up a perfect murder with the 2 weapons. But he had no idea his voice would be on audio from a video taken by his son right before his head was blown off.
Posted by Piebald Panther
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 2:29 pm to
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I think he set up a perfect murder with the 2 weapons.


It's either this or a hit.

I lean towards the 2 person hit theory. It seems really difficult to execute the 2 killings single handedly while changing weapons without one of the 2 running away.

Posted by Yellerhammer5
Member since Oct 2012
10891 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 2:31 pm to
John Marvin is easily one of the only likable people in this trial. Seem like a stand up guy - he hasn’t been implicated in the financial fraud has he?
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 2:39 pm to
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I lean towards the 2 person hit theory.

I just don't understand how they would have known they would both be there at that time. From what I've heard in testimony, the only person that knew they were there is Alex M. He's the one that called Maggie and told her to come to the pens.

Supposedly it wasn't unusual for them to have guns all over the property. If AM laid them out, he could have easily shot Paul, who was still inside the kennel. Maggie would probably had no idea what had just happened. He could have shot anything, and probably would have never suspected he shot Paul. And then he turned and shot her when she was asking what was going on.

Not saying that happened. Just saying, I think he could have shot them both with 2 weapons, if he planned it correctly. He had a ton of practice planning fooling people.
Posted by clownbaby
beezwacks not yours
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 2:46 pm to
I agree with the line of thinking that the guy from Connecticut laid out about the 2 person theory.

It would’ve been difficult for someone to shoot Paul two times with a shotgun from inside the feed room at close range and still have the wherewithal to switch to the rifle and shoot Maggie several times in such a small time frame.
Posted by Bonkers119
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 2:49 pm to
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John Marvin is easily one of the only likable people in this trial.


He was the one that moved the boat for the Murdaughs after Paul's boat crash in 2019 instead of letting it stay at the scene of the crime.

He's just as crooked as the rest of them.
Posted by ILurkThereforeIAm
In the Shadows, Behind Hedges
Member since Aug 2020
666 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 2:56 pm to
Fitsnews has linked to this chart before. It gives a detailed breakdown of how AM could have done all of this.

Churchwell Chart - link to PDF
Posted by clownbaby
beezwacks not yours
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:01 pm to
I’m not saying he couldn’t do it or that he definitely didn’t do it. Only that in my opinion it being a 2 person hit isn’t out of the question

Edited to add: That chart sure is something. Bored housewives would make the best detectives lol
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 3:03 pm
Posted by real turf fan
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Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:02 pm to
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without one of the 2 running away.


Which Maggie may have been doing. Two shooters would have been pros and Maggie would have gone down with at most two shots. But it took more. And then someone was so angry at her than they administered TWO kill-for-sure shots to the back of her skull. Would a pro have needed two back of the head shots?
Posted by clownbaby
beezwacks not yours
Member since Jan 2009
1059 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:03 pm to
Are you familiar with “double taps”?
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