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re: If the universe is 93 billion light years across, how is it only 14.5 billion years old?

Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:35 pm to
Posted by TypoKnig
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Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:35 pm to
Goddamn, I was just in the Wal-Mart self-checkout thread.

This is a little bit too much of a jump so I need to find an intermediate thread or two and work my way up to this level.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:35 pm to
space carbs
Posted by supadave3
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:38 pm to
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There's a wiki on it if you want to read it.


No use. I won’t understand and will get lost in the first sentence. Space science does that to me.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:40 pm to
First, you start with a roux
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:40 pm to
Because matter isnt expanding into nothingness.

The universe is expanding....as in the whole thing. The space between the earth and the sun is increasing.

Light from very distant objects are heavily red shifted as part of the Doppler effect induced by this space expansion.
Posted by Goldrush25
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:40 pm to
You're comparing a measure of distance with a measure of time.
Posted by PCRammer
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:40 pm to
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What’s it extending into? What’s in the area now that the universe will be in tomorrow?


Never really thought about this, but shite, now Im bothered. So if the universe contains everything known then it's expanding into something that doest yet exist...???

Proverbial...Oh, and your mom's vag.
Posted by 225Tyga
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:44 pm to
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So did matter travel WAY faster than the speed of light right after the Big Bang? And if it did, as would be necessary - would that matter have traveled back in time?
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:48 pm to
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If the universe is 93 billion light years across, how is it only 14.5 billion years old?
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The Universe is expanding faster than the speed of light.

(Galaxies aren't expanding at the speed of light, for instance. The fabric of space itself is and that CAN travel faster than the speed of light. If you want to get deeper than that it gets extremely technical)


Ask a question get an answer. Hell of a system you got here, Chicken.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:49 pm to
Good analogy is the surface of a balloon when you blow it up. The surface has no center. If it's a polka dot balloon all the dots are moving away from each other. The balloon is expanding into 3-dimensional space but from the perspective of the surface there are only 2 spatial dimensions. So the universe is expanding into nothing.
Posted by BayouBlitz
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:54 pm to
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The space between the earth and the sun is increasing.




This is not correct. At all.
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:56 pm to
Dude, the answers lie within Genesis.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 3:00 pm to
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Dude, the answers lie within Genesis.

John Mayhew ?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 3:01 pm to
Inflation at the beginning of the universe.

Edit: LINK
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 3:02 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 3:05 pm to
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This is not correct. At all.




It is correct. Volvagia is one of the few actual scientists on this board, and yeah, it is true.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 3:13 pm to
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Good analogy is the surface of a balloon when you blow it up. The surface has no center. If it's a polka dot balloon all the dots are moving away from each other. The balloon is expanding into 3-dimensional space but from the perspective of the surface there are only 2 spatial dimensions. So the universe is expanding into nothing.




What?
that makes no sense. there's still 3 dimensions from the perspective of the surface. The surface isn't moving across just 2 planes.
The universe is obviously expanding into something. This is where we simply aren't smart enough to comprehend what's happening, so we just say God.
Posted by GetEmTigers08
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 3:16 pm to
Spacetime can warp. The speed of light is the speed limit of anything locally, and it says nothing about the medium that the light is traveling through. Also, space wasn't always accelerating. There was an acceleration period right after the Big Bang, followed by a few billion years of deceleration, followed by the acceleration period we are in right now. I think this all boils down to dark matter/energy that we haven't figured out yet and how it has affected the space between galaxies but is not able to directly affect galaxies themselves. So galaxies and star systems are won over by gravity and don't lose their form.

Oddly enough, space has expanded to roughly pi*radius, but not quite. This could be a coincidence, but I doubt it.

I do think there is a relationship between what we see in our universe and how we came to be and what we theorize happens inside of a black hole. Just recently, the science community said it was pretty certain that information is not lost when it enters a black hole, it is actually just encrypted/scrambled on the surface(Hawking radiation), and Roger Penrose recently brought up the idea that perhaps we could learn about what happened before the Big Bang by observing the effects found around the edge of the universe(CMB), which to me seems strangely similar to what is happening on the other side of a black hole from our perspective. Intuitively, I like the idea of a multiverse, with our universe existing inside a bubble. With that, you can have the bulk existing outside our universe, which connects all universes, which could then either follow Everett's interpretation of QM, the many worlds, or simply just be a finite amount of universes.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 3:18 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 3:16 pm to
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The universe is obviously expanding into something.


It isn't.

And his analogy is...sort of...the one that used the most to try and explain it.

Spacetime is 4 dimensional, though.
Posted by GumplandTiger
Hoover, AL
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 3:23 pm to
I’ll worry about this when they can tell me what’s in the depths of the ocean on our planet. It amazes me we still haven’t really sunk money into fully exploring our own planet all the way by now.

We are never gonna make it into deep space in our lifetime. If something out there is advanced enough to make it here and advanced enough to get here quickly, surly the could eliminate us with a quickness.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 3:24 pm
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