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If China diecided to invade Russia hypothetical

Posted on 11/12/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 1:23 pm
No nukes no allies, who would win?

We have done a lot of these type of thread just not this one.

This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 1:26 pm
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

China decided to invade Russia hypothetical


quote:

No nukes


Okay, then it comes down to sheer manpower and the nation that's not currently bogged down in a quagmire, so China.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 1:26 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 1:25 pm to
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No nukes, who would win?


Russia but only after they join NATO and President Jack Ryan calmly has a smoke while a nuke is headed towards DC.

ETA: I see that we have at least one person who has not read the Tom Clancy book on this subject.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 1:26 pm to
No nukes, no allies? China, not close.
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 1:26 pm to
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no allies


Good catch early, I edited
Posted by thatsnotmydog
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 1:28 pm to
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Posted by Warfox
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 2:04 pm to
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 2:04 pm to
Assuming the war in Ukraine didn't happen, I go with Russia. Really hard being on the invasion team.
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 2:41 pm to
Russia would get clapped.

Russia: chaotic evil
China: well organized evil
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 2:52 pm to


China needs oil and natural gas and everyone wants a golden wolf hide.
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 3:09 pm to
China could take whatever they want from Russia. Seeing Ukraine expose Russia as the weak nation it is, I can see China licking their chops.

They want and need more territory. Russia has lots that they’re not using.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 3:12 pm to
This is very easy. Russia can't even defeat Ukraine.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 3:24 pm to
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This is very easy. Russia can't even defeat Ukraine

Huge advantage defending the homeland.
Posted by Box Geauxrilla
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 3:25 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/12 at 1:26 pm

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diecided

This is what you landed on after the edit?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 3:29 pm to
China might have more men and better tech but no combat experience what so ever

Russia has some but most of them are dead now

Problem for both is their military leadership structure

NCOs and Jr Officers are not allowed to make battlefield decisions

It has to come from up top which leads to chaos real time


It would be a massive shite show especially bc both suck at logistics

China would win in a war of attrition bc they have more bodies to send
Posted by BeepNode
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 3:50 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 10:11 am
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 3:52 pm to
If China targeted specific, finite Russian territory, I'm thinking they could seize it and hold it.

If China just tried a general invasion of Russia as a whole, ala Napoleon and Hitler, they might meet the same fate as those two did. Especially if they kicked it off at this time of the year.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 4:23 pm to
Invading and conquering another advanced country is no small thing. Anyone remember when China invaded Vietnam and got their asses handed to them? China might take some territory, but they would bog down.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 4:58 pm to
Generally, China. Especially if they aren't giving a frick about winning hearts and minds.

China's available manpower is roughly 5x the entire population of Russia, China's population which is fit for service is estimated to be 13x Russia's. China spends nearly 2x on their military that Russia does.

While Russia has more of every other aircraft type, China has almost 2x the fighter/interceptor aircraft of Russia. As we've seen with Ukraine though, good anti-aircraft tech can easily balance that out.

Navally, China outclasses Russia.

This isn't a straight-forward win, the trouble China will have is that there's so fricking much land with much of the eastern region essentially uninhabited.



The other thing to take into consideration is Russia's oil fields and oil infrastructure.





Taking all this into account and assuming invasion of no other countries (Mongolia nor the 'Stahns), China would likely start with at least a straight zerg into Vladivostok (to capture the shipyards there), from there they could move up the Amur and through eastern Russia at will for at least a few weeks. While that's happening along the east coast, the other fight would be to race toward the west to capture as much territory (and as many oil fields) as possible before running into military resistance and without outrunning their supply lines. While holding a line with Russia they would also need to set up secure supply locations along the region they raced through.

From there it becomes a slog as Russia's greater amount of equipment faces off against China's far superior numbers.
Posted by dolamite
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/12/22 at 6:27 pm to
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