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re: Idaho Murders Thread (Links inside)
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:08 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:08 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Again, if the only uncontaminated DNA he left at the scene was on the button of the sheeth...he was very close to getting away with it because they wouldn't have known to look at his cell phone activity.
First search warrant for his phone records between Nov 12 - Nov 14 was on Dec 23rd which led to more extensive search warrant back to June also granted on the 23rd. His DNA sample (or father’s) wasn’t recovered from family trash until Dec 27th with results back on 28th.
It’s easier to work backwards from a suspect, but the wording of affidavit makes me wonder why more wasn’t done between when WSU police got both license plates, name, and DL info early AM on Nov 29th and when he left for Pennsylvania.
Affidavit says pic & measurements on DL including eyebrows were close enough to description from roommate, vehicle year expanded to include 2015, video from WSU and Pullman showing a 2014 to 2016 Elantra leaving campus and traveling towards the main road going to Moscow at 2:53am and back in Pullman after 5:25am morning of murders, PA only required back license plate which car had until Nov 18th (with 2 plates noted by WSU police after midnight on Nov 29th), ticket in area covered by cell tower back in August which got his phone number, knowledge that phones turned off or left for planned crimes, his major, his reddit survey questions, and so on with little on when actually investigated by Moscow group. Outside of maybe the videos of vehicle in Pullman showing enough gap for murders (since no date when sent or received on affidavit) the above was there to investigate for almost 2 weeks before he left but most likely done after he left for PA or already in PA (which was then probably used to get first search warrant for phone records on Dec 23rd).
I know there were a lot of cars submitted (less before public request on Dec 7th), but it seems like from at least Nov 29th or 30th he should have been high up on list to interview and start looking to get phone records for days around murders, which didn’t take his DNA and also quickly led to a second more extensive search warrant getting phone records from start of summer later the same day.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:11 pm to NATidefan
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Another thing I'm curious about is his reasoning for driving all over God's creation after the murders.
I bet if you look at where he was when his phone was on/off it would make more sense. He didn’t want his phone to track him anywhere near Moscow.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:12 pm to selfgen
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:21 pm to Epic Cajun
Fbi lady on newsnation just speculated that he didn't kill the witness because he killed the target or targets he intended to and was done. And she didn't pose a threat to him at the moment.
I assume the sheath had a belt loop and obviously he didn't use the belt loop which just blows my mind.
I assume the sheath had a belt loop and obviously he didn't use the belt loop which just blows my mind.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:25 pm to dallastigers
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First search warrant for his phone records between Nov 12 - Nov 14 was on Dec 23rd
I could be wrong but wasn’t the original warrant for one single tower near the house that his phone didn’t ping from - and then they expanded to other towers/date range with an additional warrant on the 23rd?
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:25 pm to Chicken
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The affidavit likely omits some details that would make her look better.
I agree. They glossed over, and omitted many things they have dug up, shined up, wrapped up, put a bow on, and delivered to the DA. There will be many questions answered, and much knowledge gleaned before this is over.
Hopefully people actually read the new info. and learn how to spell sheath.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:28 pm to Epic Cajun
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I bet if you look at where he was when his phone was on/off it would make more sense. He didn’t want his phone to track him anywhere near Moscow.
Eh, he had it on on the way there and went straight there. Turned it off on the way. Then turned it back off not long after leaving Moscow.
Even with the time he had it off you would've known he drove that loop and went through moscow.
About the only time he had it off was where I have the black line.

This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:34 pm to NastyNatiNole
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I assume the sheath had a belt loop and obviously he didn't use the belt loop which just blows my mind.
Might have been removed during the attack, could have been broken, or he might be that dumb
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:35 pm to NATidefan
Curious to know how he knew where they lived. Just through regular conversation with one of the victims? It’s not like the house was in their name as it was a rental
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:38 pm to idlewatcher
One of the girls worked at a vegan restaurant that he frequented, Probably followed her home
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:40 pm to idlewatcher
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Curious to know how he knew where they lived.
Well, we still don't know if he knew them beforehand and how well.
But either he knew them and had been there or stalked them there beforehand I would guess.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:48 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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The cat is critical, damnit
That cat fricks
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:51 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I thought Maddie and Xana both worked at the Greek restaurant together? Which just so happens to be the two rooms he went to.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:52 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:do you have a link that discusses this?
One of the girls worked at a vegan restaurant that he frequented,
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:53 pm to LootieandtheBlowfish
I could be wrong but wasn’t the original warrant for one single tower near the house that his phone didn’t ping from - and then they expanded to other towers/date range with an additional warrant on the 23rd?
My best guess is the cops issued a subpoena to ATT for his cell phone records the day before the day of and day after the murders and received them on the 23rd. They probably issued that subpoena end of November or early December once they got his number from the police reports where he was pulled over for speeding. AT&T will expedite subpoenas but they still have their process.
Once they got those records and saw it was him they then revised the subpoena and asked them to go as far back as they could.
Once AT&T starts to process a subpoena you are exchanging emails with someone and if you need additional information they usually get it back to you quicker.
My best guess is the cops issued a subpoena to ATT for his cell phone records the day before the day of and day after the murders and received them on the 23rd. They probably issued that subpoena end of November or early December once they got his number from the police reports where he was pulled over for speeding. AT&T will expedite subpoenas but they still have their process.
Once they got those records and saw it was him they then revised the subpoena and asked them to go as far back as they could.
Once AT&T starts to process a subpoena you are exchanging emails with someone and if you need additional information they usually get it back to you quicker.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:54 pm to NATidefan
quote:definitely...has that area been covered with snow since November?
Going to ditch clothes and clean up before heading home???
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:54 pm to Chicken
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:54 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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One of the girls worked at a vegan restaurant that he frequented, Probably followed her home
I think both Xana and Maddie worked there, and yes this would be my assumption too. I doubt they were hanging out in the same social circle.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:54 pm to Chicken
Mad Greek said Madison Mogen and Xana Kernodle had been servers at the restaurant for several years.
Not a link but Maddie and Xana worked together
Not a link but Maddie and Xana worked together
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:56 pm to Chicken
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definitely...has that area been covered with snow since November
Probably, but that is God's country for sure. He could have ditched them and the knife alot of places along the way and they may never find them.
I would suspect they are looking for them either way though if they didn't find any at his home.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 6:00 pm
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