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Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:13 pm to brass2mouth
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I think that would work, but like I think Felociana said earlier, who pays for it and are they former cops or what? Paying an independent party to investigate cops would be expensive IMO, but maybe that's what needs to be done.
I think it has to be done in order to maintain some kind of credibility and restore some public faith..
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I also think that trooper gate had more to do with Palin herself being in the position she was, but admittedly I haven't kept up with it.
When he "retired" he was making over $120,000 a year and had a laundry list of misconduct that was hidden from the public. Instead of firing him, they kept moving him. Misconduct among current LEO in Ak is kept from the public.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:30 pm to ISmellMischief
Negative Nomad, What you are wanting to do is to ignore the fact that this police department has had a history of terrible and violent behavior for no reason. No one is saying that someone having a gun on them after being detained is impossible, no one is even saying that people haven't accidentally shot themselves before. What we are saying is that in this specific situation, it sure smells like the police are trying to cover up the fact that they shot this guy and killed him and just blame it on something that is really hard to imagine happening. Look, I know that he could have very well been smoking a joint and that is how they found the drug paraphernalia on him, however, a decent cop would have searched him right after that, not just asked if he had anything else on him and taken him at his word. Assuming that these cops didn't do that, it is still completely outside of my realm of thinking to imagine that this guy got in the car, with his hands behind his back, and decided to take the gun out and then shot himself accidentally. YOu might believe that, and you certainly can, but please stop thinking that people are rushing to a conclusion when the mounting evidence is easily pointing to the fact that the police shot this man in the freaking back and he died.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:43 pm to CalLSU
Can't believe this thread is still going.
Can you provide this evidence? If they shot him in the Sally port is was on camera. Guess state police would brush a murder on camera aside.
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mounting evidence is easily pointing to the fact that the police shot this man in the freaking back and he died.
Can you provide this evidence? If they shot him in the Sally port is was on camera. Guess state police would brush a murder on camera aside.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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When he "retired" he was making over $120,000 a year and had a laundry list of misconduct that was hidden from the public. Instead of firing him, they kept moving him. Misconduct among current LEO in Ak is kept from the public.
Not about what you know, its who you know huh?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:55 pm to brass2mouth
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Not about what you know, its who you know huh?
It's pretty typical.
The cop that shot the homeless man in the back in New Mexico had been fired fro the troopers. That wall is pretty thick. Not sure if its institutional or union related.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That wall is pretty thick
I heard on very good authority, there is a game warden here in LA, that negligently/illegally discharged his AR15, and blew a hole in the roof of his truck.
Nothing happened to him other than a slap on the wrist because of his relationship with some of the higher ups in Baton Rouge...Still got promoted. Its the little things like that IMO that make people wonder WTF else is being swept under the rug.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:20 pm to NIH
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“They told me I couldn’t see his lower body,” he told me. “I could only see his face.”
Sketchy
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:21 pm to NIH
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They say he pulled out a handgun, while his hands were cuffed behind his back, and shot himself in the back.
I hate when that happens
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:35 pm to brass2mouth
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I heard on very good authority, there is a game warden here in LA, that negligently/illegally discharged his AR15, and blew a hole in the roof of his truck.
Nothing happened to him other than a slap on the wrist because of his relationship with some of the higher ups in Baton Rouge...Still got promoted. Its the little things like that IMO that make people wonder WTF else is being swept under the rug.
You know, If I sold cars and the industry was amok with sketchy salesmen, I would want the industry cleaned up for my own benefit. Law enforcement seems to have some incredible kinship that makes criticism extremely hard to do.
Most probably don't think so, but they've gotta start rebuilding public trust. Examples like the following don't help. LINK
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Not all cops are bad, but the insulation from accountability begins with the departments themselves, which often go out of their way to defend the actions of abusive officers. In some cases, pressure from police unions has kept unruly officers on the job despite the departments' efforts to remove them. Other times, the insulating force is also the first line of officer accountability: Internal Affairs. Often depicted as a hated entity within the force, the Internal Affairs division is supposed to be the public's first line of defense against cops who abuse their power. As documents obtained by the Courier News and Home News Tribune show, dozens of complaints against central New Jersey police officers are dismissed every year without ever making it past these departments' internal review mechanisms.
From 2008 to 2012, citizens filed hundreds of complaints alleging brutality, bias and civil rights violations by officers in more than seven dozen police departments in Central Jersey…
Just 1 percent of all excessive force complaints were sustained by internal affairs units in Central Jersey, the review found. That’s less than the national average of 8 percent, according to a federal Bureau of Justice Statistics report released in 2007
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As Sergio Bachao of My Central Jersey points out, this provides public officers with more protection than it does private citizens. Complaints and disciplinary rulings against licensed professionals in the private sector are posted by the state using these citizens' full names. Obviously, doing so makes these professionals more accountable and provides other members of the public with info they can use to avoid potential scams, etc.
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Except in race cases, complaints against officers and how officers were disciplined — which can range from spoken or written reprimands to suspensions or termination — are kept confidential.
The tallies of complaints and how they were disposed are public records, as are use of force reports, which officers are required to file whenever they use bodily force or weapons to subdue a suspect. The public also has the right to read synopses of all complaints where a fine or suspension of at least 10 days was assessed. But the identities of officers, as well as the complainants, have to be redacted from these documents.
Also, police have no duty to protect you. Supreme court has made this clear.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:38 pm to brass2mouth
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I saw it with my own eyes, and the dude has since been passed over for promotion 3 times now bc he didn't want to play along and railroad somebody, which then pissed off the higher ups.
Well that is enough proof for me. If you saw this one time, I still don't believe you were ever a leo, it must be rampant everywhere!
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
That snippet from that article is just sad, and it only begins to identify the problem. People like Displaced and DanTiger and such can try to make claims that the blue wall doesnt exist or that cops dont get preferrential treatment when they get busted (LSP trooper in BR for example) but deep down they know damn well its the truth, they just put on a front for us common folk.
I'm not saying every cop is shitty, I'm not saying that every dept is shitty, what I am saying however, is that nonshitty cops can't report shitty cops bc then they become a target for all the other ones. They get labeled, nobody wants to work with them or trust them, or maybe like in a friend of mines case the lower guys still did/do respect him but the higher ups hate him now b/c he didnt play ball so now he will never make Lt. Law enforcement, esp in small depts is damn near more about politics than anything else.
Believe what you want man, if I wasnt at work I'd scan my academy diploma and various other training certs (with certain info redacted of course), might even find my little wallet badge and my intoxilyzer card too.
I'm not saying every cop is shitty, I'm not saying that every dept is shitty, what I am saying however, is that nonshitty cops can't report shitty cops bc then they become a target for all the other ones. They get labeled, nobody wants to work with them or trust them, or maybe like in a friend of mines case the lower guys still did/do respect him but the higher ups hate him now b/c he didnt play ball so now he will never make Lt. Law enforcement, esp in small depts is damn near more about politics than anything else.
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DanTiger
Believe what you want man, if I wasnt at work I'd scan my academy diploma and various other training certs (with certain info redacted of course), might even find my little wallet badge and my intoxilyzer card too.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:58 pm to NIH
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According to his father, Victor III's previous run-ins with the law were minor—the kind you'd expect of any young man: He was caught once with pot, he got a traffic violation for making a U-turn a while back, and when he was 16 he broke someone's window.
Ya.....I expect this from any young man!
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:12 pm to NIH
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:19 pm to NIH
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The report rules White's death a suicide.
So is the Coroner too I bet?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:22 pm to NIH
Aw shite
Surprising this didn't happen on Hopkins St. but nonetheless.
Wait what?
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300 block of Lewis Street
Surprising this didn't happen on Hopkins St. but nonetheless.
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The report rules White's death a suicide.
Wait what?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:24 pm to NIH
It took nearly 5 months to arrive at this conclusion? I admit, I'm not familiar with autopsies, but that seems a tad extreme.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:27 pm to ZZTIGERS
New Iberia only has one coroner (who also practices as a full time MD) so these things take time. Shouldn't have taken this long though.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:28 pm to RaginCajunsULL
Don't you work for IPSO?
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