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re: I said, "My name is Patrick!"(police bodycam)
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:36 pm to uway
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:36 pm to uway
quote:Or if they actually gave shite they could prosecute cops who abuse people.
Law enforcement could build up a lot of good will if they could just admit when they are wrong and not prosecute stuff like this.
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:36 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
And how many warrants are served without incident? I don't like the consequences of mistakes any more than you do. That doesn't mean I'm cool with a police state.
problem is.. most police are immune to the consequences of life-ending mistakes
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:37 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
And how many warrants are served without incident?
plenty
but there are plenty of stories of folks having their home trashed and the police not covering the damages and whatnot as well. When they have the wrong house.
Same example here. You should have to verify who you are arresting when it comes to a warrant. An address doesn't mean it's that person.
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:38 pm to bmy
quote:
problem is.. most police are immune to the consequences of life-ending mistakes
OK. I'm still not seeing how that means I support a police state.
And that kid wasn't killed, and the cops weren't at the wrong address.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:38 pm to bmy
quote:
problem is.. most police are immune to the consequences of life-ending mistakes
correct
and it seems some are OK with this
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:39 pm to cas4t
quote:
You should have to verify who you are arresting when it comes to a warrant.
Perhaps Patrick should have helped in that regard. Can you honestly argue against that?
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:39 pm to cas4t
quote:
start another thread then
What I said has everything to do with this.
No I'm not chastising all cops like some people because some dude resisted.
I'm just simply stating incidents like this happen because their is a disconnect. It simply isn't just the cops are bad and dirty.
Why even have cops?
Read my posts dude.
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:40 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
That isn't what happened, but don't let the facts get in the way.
First 40 seconds of the video is all you need to see.
C: What's your name?
Patrick: Why you askin?
C: What's your name I'm going to ask one more time?
Patrick: Ok...Patrick.
C: We probably need to talk (can't make it out) what's your name?
Patrick: Uh... Patrick.
C: Get up... Stand up.
(He stands up)
C: Put your hands against the car.
Patrick: What happened??
So the police get the benefit of the doubt when they shoot unarmed people because they could have had a gun and they get the benefit of the doubt when the rough up a kid and arrest him for obstruction because he could be lying? He wasn't lying. They screwed up.
For all of these older generations that preach accountability, you sure as shite don't expect it from the police. Ever.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:41 pm to LNCHBOX
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OK. I'm still not seeing how that means I support a police state.
it's your overall schtick in this situation and others. You seem to think we should always have to listen to police, even if we know them to be wrong.
I personally think that is far too much power, and would breed even more corruption from the police. I think if you know you are being falsely identified, you should be able to request your warrant before being ordered around. A cop can't tell me what to do without probable cause.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:41 pm to slackster
quote:
C: What's your name?
Patrick: Why you askin?
That doesn't look like giving them his name from the jump.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:42 pm to cas4t
idiot should have just did what the officers asked. Not been a dick, and when they saw id they would have let him go. Mistakes happen, but when you start acting suspicious like he did, not getting out of the car, reaching inside, and on top of that said he was on probation, its his own fault.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:43 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Imagine if Cops didn't have body cameras. This kid would have been screwed! Hell, even with the body cameras the Cops lied about what happened
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:43 pm to dgnx6
And I'm saying in this particular instance, the cops should be required to verify his identity before asking him to put his hands on the car. Simply asking him for ID, and saying you want to be sure you have the right guy would be fine.
I am reading your posts and I don't believe that your "overall in society" concept applies here. I think this is 100% on the police abusing their power and then lying about it.
quote:
Read my posts dude.
I am reading your posts and I don't believe that your "overall in society" concept applies here. I think this is 100% on the police abusing their power and then lying about it.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:44 pm to cas4t
quote:
it's your overall schtick in this situation and others
Most of the time the cops aren't as bad as people here make them out to be.
quote:
You seem to think we should always have to listen to police, even if we know them to be wrong.
I think arguing with a cop that is wrong will lead to more headache. That doesn't mean I think the cop is right. It just means I will make my argument elsewhere.
quote:
I think if you know you are being falsely identified, you should be able to request your warrant before being ordered around
I think if he had been more cooperative, he likely would have been able to have that. That doesn't mean I think the cops' action were OK.
quote:
A cop can't tell me what to do without probable cause.
I agree, but based off the situation, I'll do it just to avoid the headache and if need by seek my justice through the proper avenues. There is no perfect system.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:44 pm to The Dudes Rug
quote:
Sueing is the most beta thing in existence. He wouldn't win anyways.
What other recourse does he have? Why wouldn't he win?
If you taze someone who turns out the be the wrong guy, that is on you, as it should be.
I'm just tired of the hypocrisy of the police. In a court system where you're innocent until proven guilty, the police literally get away with murder because they're allowed to treat you as guilty until proven innocent.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:44 pm to oleyeller
quote:
Not been a dick
cops were dicks
quote:
but when you start acting suspicious like he did
I found it suspicious they wouldn't provide him a copy of his warrant when he asked-which is within his rights, legally.
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and on top of that said he was on probation,
they thought he was another person, so this makes no sense. Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:45 pm to cas4t
quote:
personally think that is far too much power, and would breed even more corruption from the police. I think if you know you are being falsely identified, you should be able to request your warrant before being ordered around. A cop can't tell me what to do without probable cause.
I agree cops abuse power. You are right, we shouldn't let them. But come back to reality for a moment.
If everyone obeyed the laws and complied in a polite manner, we wouldn't be having these issues. That's on both sides.
Stop blaming cops for everything. Is all I'm saying.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:47 pm to The Dudes Rug
quote:
Sueing is the most beta thing in existence
this is an asinine line of thinking.
I agree we live in an overly litigious country, but suing someone plays a huge role in many cases.
Let's see how you feel if you ever are hit by a drunk driver, out of work, have to wait a couple years to be cleared for disability, and the guy who hit you was underinsured, and your personal insurance isn't enough to cover all of your medical bills.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:48 pm to Chad504boy
Uh oh.
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