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Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:28 pm to Mahootney
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Once again, cops overstepping their authority with impunity. Innocent citizen getting hassled because he dated to try to emphasize his rights. At no point does the man have to comply with these officers for any legal reason. Consequence? Taser and bullshite charge.
We really need to address the issues with the current policing in this country. It is wrong to get teased because you actually understand your rights and the officers don't.
Kids lucky he didn't get shot for defending himself. The cops would have gotten off too if they shot him when he got in the car. "He could have been reaching for a weapon".
pretty obvious why the saying frick the police exists
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:28 pm to cas4t
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nah Kid should sue and win.
Sueing is the most beta thing in existence. He wouldn't win anyways.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:28 pm to beauchristopher
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So I still appreciate what they do and I don't hate all cops. In fact I respect most. I just want there to be more accountability.. and for people to understand it's okay to acknowledge there are incompetent officers. We have to work together. Both sides.. They need to better access these situations. Some of these people don't need to be in position to handle life threatening situations.
What leads you to believe this was incompetence and not abuse? Shouldn't him lying be a dead giveaway?
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:28 pm to cas4t
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so you're fine with them not providing the kid with the warrant, even though that's completely within his rights?
While he's slamming the door on them and not obeying any of their commands, yes.
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Second part-do you think a cop should be able to kick a door in, search a house, and then provide a warrant? Or should they have to show the warrant, and then be able to enter the home?
If they have a legit warrant, I don;t see why it matters. I'd prefer they knock so they don't damage the door though.
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You shouldn't be cuffed and treated as a criminal without proof that you should be cuffed and treated like a criminal, when it comes to serving a warrant.
Then Patrick should have cooperated from the start.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:29 pm to dgnx6
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Wtf? You are a fricking moron.
explain how I'm a moron. Did you do background and criminal checks on all of your roommates when you were a 20-something?
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And next time I won't assume you don't live with a bunch of people you don't know.
In college I had a random roommate. A 24 year old dude could live at home, with a brother or a cousin or a step father that has a warrant. I highly doubt someone with a warrant advertises it. half the time they don't even know until they are caught.
And I'm the moron.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:29 pm to slackster
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All they had to do was believe him when he told them the truth from jump street
That isn't what happened, but don't let the facts get in the way.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:30 pm to The Dudes Rug
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Sueing is the most beta thing in existence. He wouldn't win anyways.
He probably would. They trampled all over his rights and tased him. Most of us here would be fired if we botched something this badly at work -- not LEOs -- they encourage mediocrity.
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:30 pm to slackster
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All they had to do was believe him when he told them the truth from jump street. They're screw up led to this, not his.
Ohh come on.
I have clearly stated if citizens didn't lie to the police then they wouldn't have any reason not to believe him.
The issue is both ways. I'm not talking this particular incident. I'm talking in this country as a whole.
Cops don't trust people, people don't trust cops. Their is a disconnect. Blame is on both sides.
Jesus Christ.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:31 pm to dgnx6
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Their is a disconnect. Blame is on both sides.
You're not allowed to have that opinion.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:31 pm to LNCHBOX
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While he's slamming the door on them and not obeying any of their commands, yes.
he asked well before that. He continually asked what he did as well. That's within his rights. All well before it escalated into him trying to slam the door.
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If they have a legit warrant, I don;t see why it matters
because they could have the wrong frickin' house. There's a ton of stories available with a quick google search.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:32 pm to dgnx6
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Cops don't trust people, people don't trust cops. Their is a disconnect. Blame is on both sides.
The blame is pretty clearly on the cops in this country. They earned distrust. Well.. the largest portion of blame should be carried by the war on drugs.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:32 pm to LNCHBOX
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I was waiting for this to show up here. Why didn't he just answer who he was instead of being immediately hostile to the police? And then he tries slamming the door? Just stupid
He didn't do any of that because he doesn't trust cops. If you grew up like he did you probably wouldn't either. And yeah sometimes people are stupid.
In this case the cops were stupid as well.
Law enforcement could build up a lot of good will if they could just admit when they are wrong and not prosecute stuff like this.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:32 pm to cas4t
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he asked well before that.
But not before he retreated into the car.
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because they could have the wrong frickin' house.
OK. Is anything they find admissible in court?
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:32 pm to dgnx6
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You clearly refuse to actually read my posts in this thread.
verlander, I think, said he wouldn't want to be wrongfully arrested in front of his house
you said that wouldn't happen unless you lived with someone with a warrant
I said you don't always know your roommates or family's legal situation
simple concept really
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:33 pm to uway
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He didn't do any of that because he doesn't trust cops. If you grew up like he did you probably wouldn't either. And yeah sometimes people are stupid.
In this case the cops were stupid as well.
Law enforcement could build up a lot of good will if they could just admit when they are wrong and not prosecute stuff like this.
Literally agree with all of that.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:33 pm to LNCHBOX
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OK. Is anything they find admissible in court?
there have been people killed in no knock warrants, including recently a child in a crib who was killed by a flash bang
again, you are fine with police state, it seems
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:34 pm to cas4t
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explain how I'm a moron. Did you do background and criminal checks on all of your roommates when you were a 20-something?
I'm sorry for lashing out. But I just felt like you were coming at me and not even reading who and what I was responding to.
And the only time I had a bunch of roommates would be in the dorm or frat house.
So no, I didn't do criminal back ground checks. But we had the police come to our frat house a couple of times for various things. Sometimes you lie to them, but you still comply. They just didn't know that. You don't run back into the house and slam the door on them. That makes you look a lil guilty.
Yes I know my families legal situation. And I do not live with them.
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:35 pm to cas4t
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there have been people killed in no knock warrants, including recently a child in a crib who was killed by a flash bang
again, you are fine with police state, it seems
And how many warrants are served without incident? I don't like the consequences of mistakes any more than you do. That doesn't mean I'm cool with a police state.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:35 pm to dgnx6
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I have clearly stated if citizens didn't lie to the police then they wouldn't have any reason not to believe him.
again, then why even ask his name in the first place? Apparently everyone just lies to the cops all the time. Why should they be required to verify who they are arresting?
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I'm not talking this particular incident.
start another thread then
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