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re: I lost a good friend to Covid this morning. Was his progression typical?
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:29 am to L.A.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:29 am to L.A.
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Is that typical?
I know a few people either through work or a friend that have passed from Covid and yeah, that's almost exactly the template they had.
My friend's Dad passed recently and reading your story was like reading his. In the hospital, feeling like hell, then improved, almost went home and then back into the ICU and then dead.
The only other way I've seen that go is they get it, it's really bad, and a week later they're gone.
This is all anecdotal just based on people I know, and no one within my immediate circle has passed from it. But, that said, it's also inline with what you read about it and there's really two extremely clear paths.
With your friend's situation, that is what I have seen with other people's parents. IE, that's what happens to older folks. My friend's dad, for example, was 68. My coworker who was 36 and passed from it, he was extremely overweight and unhealthy.
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:34 am to L.A.
Coworkers FIL had a similar bout with Covid. He actually got discharged and went home for a couple days and then went downhill very fast. Think he went back in on a Friday afternoon, that Monday they had to pull the plug.
Sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:36 am to Mizz-SEC
This thread is the total opposite of most threads around here about it being a nothing burger, etc.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:49 am to L.A.
Very similar to an experience with a family member. They got out of hospital and died two weeks later.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:50 am to L.A.
I've heard this scenario recited many times from relatives of terminally ill patients.
It's just not unusual to have a few good days followed by the eventual collapse of an organ, and then that system, and then the patient.
What did this person really die of? Covid is just a virus right, what organ or system failed first?
It's just not unusual to have a few good days followed by the eventual collapse of an organ, and then that system, and then the patient.
What did this person really die of? Covid is just a virus right, what organ or system failed first?
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:54 am to MWP
quote:Thanks for sharing. Glad you made it through.
MWP
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:21 pm to L.A.
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He went in the hospital in Los Angeles on December 27 and never came out. Things got really bad by January 17, but by January 27 he was out of the Covid ward and seemed to be improving. Then a couple of days ago things took a turn for the worse, and by this morning he was dead. Is that typical?
I’d have to know the specific course progression, but it is not UNCOMMON generally speaking from my perspective as a ‘Covid’ nurse on an intermediate unit.
Generally speaking, people require progressively more oxygen up to abs including heated high flow oxygen 100% @ 70L/min + non-rebreather mask 100% on top or BiPAP 100%.
Eventually the fortunate ones will wean down to lower oxygen requirements or off oxygen completely. However, the unfortunate ones’ lungs have been so badly scarred(or fibrosed) from the Covid, that they are simply unable to wean down off the oxygen and eventually can no longer maintain and either crash or decide to become Comfort Measures Only and transition to a Morphine or Dilaudid drip and go meet our maker in peace.
OR they develop massive diffuse pulmonary emboli and that gets them too.
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:24 pm to hubertcumberdale
quote:I have a few thoughts. First, stop politicizing/sensationalizing the virus. They have taken a difficult situation and made it infinitely worse with their political grandstanding and outright media lies. Second, focus on a balanced approach to the virus. Along with a vaccine (a prophylactic measure), also promote available treatments rather than vilifying every attempt to purse alternative treatment strategies. Rather than having an open and honest scientific debate, the focus is on stifling debate and discussion on how to care for those who have been infected.
What do you suggest they do?
That enough?
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:27 pm to L.A.
Every person I've talked to and almost every article I read had a similar progression. You'd think they were over the hump and then they would spiral down fast. I'm sorry for your loss.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:29 pm to L.A.
I honestly still can’t wrap my head around the fact that we are dealing with a virus that was released and used for political purposes
And people just seem to be ‘ok’ with that.
And people just seem to be ‘ok’ with that.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 2:13 pm to ShermanTxTiger
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Sorry about your friend.. From what I can tell from personal experience sand what I have observed in others... 4-5 days is key. If you aren't in a steep climb out of Covid on days 4-5, you are likely in for a long fight. I cleared the vid in 4 days... My wife didn't improve after day 4 and by day 7 she got worse. Her symptoms were the worst 14 days in. She baby step improved the last week and cleared it on day 25. She ran fever everyday and had pneumonia after day 7. It seems your body can figure it out and efficiently kill it or it runs you over. Just my 2 cents. I have heard many get real sick, then improve before getting real sick again. On day 10 my wife thought she was better. She felt fine one day then was crushed the following day.
My ongoing situation is the same as your wife. I am on day 22 and in the last three days, I have not had any fever and have felt the best I have felt since this started. Not back right but I would say I am a solid 75% at this moment.
BTW, 56 and unvaccinated and was in good health with no underlying conditions.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 2:51 pm to L.A.
I've heard of getting better but then turning. Condolences.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 2:54 pm to crazy4lsu
There is no typical in this virus.
So many people on here that got over it thinks its nothing
Its all personal
So many people on here that got over it thinks its nothing
Its all personal
Posted on 2/7/22 at 3:07 pm to L.A.
I have Covid now. Hopefully I don’t die. Sorry for your loss
Posted on 2/7/22 at 3:17 pm to dandyjohn
I think the prevailing theory is that the virus hits, the immune system ramps up and that's when the initial decline hits. After a few days the immune system has handled the virus and things start to improve, but the immune system does not disengage and eventually starts committing friendly fire, particularly in the lungs.
IMO that type of pattern shows strong evidence of being engineered. Had to be some selection of proteins that mimic the body's normal proteins so that the immune system goes haywire.
IMO that type of pattern shows strong evidence of being engineered. Had to be some selection of proteins that mimic the body's normal proteins so that the immune system goes haywire.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 3:25 pm to Blaeke
"Over the past 160 years, life expectancy (from birth) in the United States has risen from 39.4 years in 1860, to 78.9 years in 2020. One of the major reasons for the overall increase of life expectancy in the last two centuries is the fact that the infant and child mortality rates have decreased by so much during this time. Medical advancements, fewer wars and improved living standards also mean that people are living longer than they did in previous centuries.
Despite this overall increase, the life expectancy dropped three times since 1860; from 1865 to 1870 during the American Civil War, from 1915 to 1920 during the First World War and following Spanish Flu epidemic, and it has dropped again between 2015 and now. The reason for the most recent drop in life expectancy is not a result of any specific event, but has been attributed to negative societal trends, such as unbalanced diets and sedentary lifestyles, high medical costs, and increasing rates of suicide and drug use." Also, the vaccine has not been an absolute failure. Frankly, vaccination has not prevented transmission well, it has profoundly prevented severe Covid and death which is a great win!
Despite this overall increase, the life expectancy dropped three times since 1860; from 1865 to 1870 during the American Civil War, from 1915 to 1920 during the First World War and following Spanish Flu epidemic, and it has dropped again between 2015 and now. The reason for the most recent drop in life expectancy is not a result of any specific event, but has been attributed to negative societal trends, such as unbalanced diets and sedentary lifestyles, high medical costs, and increasing rates of suicide and drug use." Also, the vaccine has not been an absolute failure. Frankly, vaccination has not prevented transmission well, it has profoundly prevented severe Covid and death which is a great win!
Posted on 2/7/22 at 3:37 pm to L.A.
It's amazing the wide range of outcomes from COVID. For some people it's mere sniffles whereas for others it's a literal battle for life.
The place were Fauci and the CDC have failed us is on early treatment. I really feel like if they advised and promoted early treatment more many COVID deaths could have been avoided.
And with the promotion of early treatment with the vaccine they probably could have gotten more vaccine compliance by simply saying we believe the vaccine is the best option but you also have these other options. Most people would have selected the vaccine. The irony with the mandate and forced approach of the vaccine, policy makers made the already vaccine hesitant more hesitant.
But the policy makers proceeded as if the vaccine was perfect. And I know not all early treatments are perfect. But politicizing and making early treatments difficult for people to acquire killed a lot of people IMO.
The place were Fauci and the CDC have failed us is on early treatment. I really feel like if they advised and promoted early treatment more many COVID deaths could have been avoided.
And with the promotion of early treatment with the vaccine they probably could have gotten more vaccine compliance by simply saying we believe the vaccine is the best option but you also have these other options. Most people would have selected the vaccine. The irony with the mandate and forced approach of the vaccine, policy makers made the already vaccine hesitant more hesitant.
But the policy makers proceeded as if the vaccine was perfect. And I know not all early treatments are perfect. But politicizing and making early treatments difficult for people to acquire killed a lot of people IMO.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 3:38 pm to Mr. Hangover
quote:
I honestly still can’t wrap my head around the fact that we are dealing with a virus that was released and used for political purposes
And people just seem to be ‘ok’ with that.
Some politicians called it the China Flu to place blame. Almost everyone defended China.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 3:41 pm to FlyFishinTiger
quote:
Over the past 160 years, life expectancy (from birth) in the United States has risen from 39.4 years in 1860, to 78.9 years in 2020. One of the major reasons for the overall increase of life expectancy in the last two centuries is the fact that the infant and child mortality rates have decreased by so much during this time. Medical advancements, fewer wars and improved living standards also mean that people are living longer than they did in previous centuries.
The first reason was the gradual implementation of sanitary sewers and the invention of chlorine. Then the invention of penicillin.
Those were MAJOR contributions to life expectancy.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 3:49 pm to wasteland
Going to the hospital was pretty much a death sentence.
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