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I feel like schools need to start teaching the start of World War II as July 7, 1937...
Posted on 2/11/24 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 12:50 pm
Instead of the traditional date of September 1, 1939. Yes, the Second World War began in Europe when Germany invaded Poland. However, the events which would bring Great Britain and the United States into conflict with the Japanese Empire in the Pacific were set in motion when Japan invaded China on July 7, 1937.
If not for Japan's aggression in Asia during the 1930s, the attack on Pearl Harbor does not happen and history is likely altered as a result. The Second Sino-Japanese War as it was called would eventually merge with the European conflict as a result of Japan's actions against the British and Americans in December 1941.
It just makes more historical sense to include the whole of the Second Sino-Japanese War as part of World War II instead of just the events of that conflict from September 1939 and onward.
If not for Japan's aggression in Asia during the 1930s, the attack on Pearl Harbor does not happen and history is likely altered as a result. The Second Sino-Japanese War as it was called would eventually merge with the European conflict as a result of Japan's actions against the British and Americans in December 1941.
It just makes more historical sense to include the whole of the Second Sino-Japanese War as part of World War II instead of just the events of that conflict from September 1939 and onward.
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 12:54 pm to RollTide1987
I remember being taught both.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:01 pm to RollTide1987
The 1939 date is Eurocentric, but if you want to use the invasion of China, why not the invasion of Manchuria on Sept 18, 1931?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:03 pm to RollTide1987
It was still just regional conflicts at the time though.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:05 pm to RollTide1987
Do they teach it at all anymore?
Don't they have to spend much time on 2+2=5 and reciting all pronouns?
Don't they have to spend much time on 2+2=5 and reciting all pronouns?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:06 pm to RollTide1987
I’m with you, but do students nowadays even know who bombed Pearl Harbor or where’s Hawaii?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:06 pm to RollTide1987
We spent so little time on WWII that it was incredibly disappointing, also there wasn't anything discussed that I hadn't learned already through reading various WWII literature that my grandfather owned.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:06 pm to East Coast Band
Did it really end?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:07 pm to RollTide1987
Solid premise.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:09 pm to RollTide1987
I think the pacific theatre of WW2 gets overlooked in general by the public. Maybe it’s in my head idk.
Just seems whenever you hear anyone mention WW2 it’s only the European front. You’ll hear about the atom bomb and Okinawa and Iwo Jima, but overall I feel it’s get overlooked. And it’s a shame bc it was more brutal than Europe.
Just seems whenever you hear anyone mention WW2 it’s only the European front. You’ll hear about the atom bomb and Okinawa and Iwo Jima, but overall I feel it’s get overlooked. And it’s a shame bc it was more brutal than Europe.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:09 pm to RollTide1987
I mean if you really want to go back, the beginning of WW2 was set in motion Nov 11, 1918 at the end of WW1, and finalized on June 28,1919 with the treaty of Versailles.
The treaty basically backed Germany into a corner and allowed for everything that followed.
The treaty basically backed Germany into a corner and allowed for everything that followed.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:10 pm to RollTide1987
knowing the exact date a war started is basically useless information so i wouldn't mind if it wasn't taught at all.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:14 pm to BigBinBR
Well said. The history channel did a special called the world wars a few years ago. Was really interesting and went into good detail of the things you just described.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:15 pm to RollTide1987
Sorry to hijack the thread, but did you see that Indy Nidell and Co. will be doing a series on the Korean War just like his WW2 one?
Korean War Trailer
Korean War Trailer
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:19 pm to RollTide1987
I asked my 12, almost 13 year old son who's a WWI and WWII history buff this question and he had the following response (paraphrased).
Japan fought with the allies in WWI. Additionally, there was very little in the way of warfare in the pacific theater in WWI. In 1937 China was not a big player in world affairs. This is in contrast to Germany and the Central powers who were involved in both WWI and WWII. Therefore the Sept 1, 1939 makes sense in the fact that it starts with Germany's aggression in Europe because it's the common link between the two wars.
ETA: This is the a kid who asked for Axis and Allies 1914 for Christams this year...
Japan fought with the allies in WWI. Additionally, there was very little in the way of warfare in the pacific theater in WWI. In 1937 China was not a big player in world affairs. This is in contrast to Germany and the Central powers who were involved in both WWI and WWII. Therefore the Sept 1, 1939 makes sense in the fact that it starts with Germany's aggression in Europe because it's the common link between the two wars.
ETA: This is the a kid who asked for Axis and Allies 1914 for Christams this year...
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:21 pm to RollTide1987
WWI or the treaty of Versailles could be considered the start of WWII:
linky
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The most critical and controversial provision in the treaty was: "The Allied and Associated Governments affirm and Germany accepts the responsibility of Germany and her allies for causing all the loss and damage to which the Allied and Associated Governments and their nationals have been subjected as a consequence of the war imposed upon them by the aggression of Germany and her allies." The other members of the Central Powers signed treaties containing similar articles. This article, Article 231, became known as the War Guilt clause. The treaty required Germany to disarm, make ample territorial concessions, and pay reparations to certain countries which had formed the Entente powers. In 1921 the total cost of these reparations was assessed at 132 billion gold marks (then $31.4 billion or £6.6 billion, roughly equivalent to US$442 billion or UK£284 billion in 2024).
linky
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:24 pm to RollTide1987
I wish that they taught WW1 and WW2 as simply "The World War." You don't have one without the other.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:30 pm to AUViclic
Shouldn't we just start with the assassination of Ferdinand in 1914?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:40 pm to RollTide1987
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when Germany invaded Poland
This week I learned Hitler/Germany was forced into invading Poland because Poland was being uncooperative.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:48 pm to jbird7
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Just seems whenever you hear anyone mention WW2 it’s only the European front. You’ll hear about the atom bomb and Okinawa and Iwo Jima, but overall I feel it’s get overlooked. And it’s a shame bc it was more brutal than Europe.
Exactly. We didn’t learn about the Philippines or the Midway Islands in school. I learned that on my own as an adult
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