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re: I can't imagine anything worse than the Paleo diet.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:41 am to lsu777
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:41 am to lsu777
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And golden nugget, people that weigh under 160 while still being skinny fat giving out advice on a message board make me laugh. Btw I get my nutritional info from the same sources as you and you are full of complete shite about what Lyle says. But you are right that carbs aren't the devil but they are a useless nutrient unless you are trying to build muscle.
Lol. I stopped posting in the diet thread on the FD board because its not a diet thread, its a keto thread. Lots of carb police and keto tards in there. I am not hating on keto but you can lose weight on a diet that is not keto.
That thread is a joke. So many people who have seem to have been dieting for years and make zero progress. It's like, learn to have some damn self control and stop drinking beer and cheating. Man up suck it up and just get your diet over with. That's what I did. I was fat at 205 pounds, sucked it up and shed 53 pounds in 9 months with very very minimal cheating. Basically only cheated on Thanksgiving, Christmas, a couple days on Vacation and March Madness. So me, someone who actually saw a diet all the way through, gets lectured about carbs by people who have lost 20 pounds in an entire year and making very little progress. I lost those 50 pounds by, gasp, using lean gains macros and eating at a deficit that contained many carbs on workout days. Carbs aren't poison. I just avoid sugar.
The thing is I agree with you about most people here being fat. Posters here think that I was not fat at 6 feet/205 pounds and I have to post a picture to prove it. Goes to show just how much denial people are in about being fat. I am bulking now and am at 164 pounds and already feel like a fat arse again, despite my physique looking almost the same as it did at 152. At least my lifts have gone up, 20 pounds on my bench, 25 pounds on my deadlift, 25 pounds on my squat, 20 pounds on my OHP, 10 pounds + body weight gain on my weighted chins, in the 6 weeks I have been bulking. And I have done it by eating 400g carbs on workout days.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 7:42 am
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:46 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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I don't even get how this is possible.
I eat whatever I want (although I do a lot of cardio) and I've been about 185 for a few years at 6'3.
Eventually it goes away. I was an ectomorph for a while, and my college coaches basically had to force feed me to get me to gain weight. I came in at 155 pounds, senior year I was 195.
I still thought I was an ectomorph post college, and for the most part I was. No longer lifting as much as I used to, I dropped to about 175 despite not slowing my eating down.
But then something changed, like a switch flipped. It was in January 2015, when I stopped working my 2nd job. I went from 175 pounds in January 2015 to 205 pounds in August 2015 like it was nothing. All of a sudden I was a fat arse with a double chin.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:14 am to goldennugget
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Eventually it goes away.
not really, the idea that our "metabolisms slows down with age" is mostly a myth
granted, it may slow a little (1-2%) but nothing to make any discernable difference in ones appearance.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:20 am to goldennugget
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I was a fat arse with a double chin
Did you know they have a double chin prescription medication out now? I saw a commercial and thought it was satire. My god, what have we become?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:30 am to goldennugget
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The thing is I agree with you about most people here being fat. Posters here think that I was not fat at 6 feet/205 pounds and I have to post a picture to prove it. Goes to show just how much denial people are in about being fat. I am bulking now and am at 164 pounds and already feel like a fat arse again, despite my physique looking almost the same as it did at 152. At least my lifts have gone up, 20 pounds on my bench, 25 pounds on my deadlift, 25 pounds on my squat, 20 pounds on my OHP, 10 pounds + body weight gain on my weighted chins, in the 6 weeks I have been bulking. And I have done it by eating 400g carbs on workout days.
bro and you played college ball, you sound like a beta weak body
What position did you play?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:41 am to StraightCashHomey21
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bro and you played college ball, you sound like a beta weak body
Reading comprehension helps
My senior year of college I benched 305, squatted 475, weighed 195. That was over 6 years ago. A lot can happen in 6 years.
After I was done I got lazy, stopped lifting, and such. Lost most of my muscle mass and strength gains. Became a skinny fat lazy piece of shite. Body fat over 25%.
Pretty much had to start over which I did in September 2015. Cut from 205 to 153, ended on July 4. Lost muscle on the way but at least got rid of my fat. Ate at maintenance for rest of 2016, started bulking on January 2.
Even then I am still not weak compared to my size and probably have more strength and a better physique than most people on this board. My bench, weighted chins and OHP lifts are in the advanced range when it comes to strength standards and my squat/deadlift are almost back to the advanced level.
I'd like to see how many people on this board can do 6 pullups with 50 pounds hanging around their waist: LINK
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:44 am to goldennugget
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Lol. I stopped posting in the diet thread on the FD board because its not a diet thread, its a keto thread. Lots of carb police and keto tards in there. I am not hating on keto but you can lose weight on a diet that is not keto.
That thread is a joke. So many people who have seem to have been dieting for years and make zero progress. It's like, learn to have some damn self control and stop drinking beer and cheating. Man up suck it up and just get your diet over with. That's what I did. I was fat at 205 pounds, sucked it up and shed 53 pounds in 9 months with very very minimal cheating. Basically only cheated on Thanksgiving, Christmas, a couple days on Vacation and March Madness. So me, someone who actually saw a diet all the way through, gets lectured about carbs by people who have lost 20 pounds in an entire year and making very little progress. I lost those 50 pounds by, gasp, using lean gains macros and eating at a deficit that contained many carbs on workout days. Carbs aren't poison. I just avoid sugar.
The thing is I agree with you about most people here being fat. Posters here think that I was not fat at 6 feet/205 pounds and I have to post a picture to prove it. Goes to show just how much denial people are in about being fat. I am bulking now and am at 164 pounds and already feel like a fat arse again, despite my physique looking almost the same as it did at 152. At least my lifts have gone up, 20 pounds on my bench, 25 pounds on my deadlift, 25 pounds on my squat, 20 pounds on my OHP, 10 pounds + body weight gain on my weighted chins, in the 6 weeks I have been bulking. And I have done it by eating 400g carbs on workout days.
I would agree that the FD Board was kind of pure keto. Not everyone is doing keto in there now though. and I do agree many have made zero progress but there are plenty that have lost tons. I know everyone loves to bash Hulk but he lost like 100 lbs the first time before going crazy and gaining most of it back. But he is back down quite a bit now. Same with many others there. The ones that don't make progress lie to themselves and everyone else and continue to cheat.
And you know I love lean gains. I believe its the best diet system in the world but its not for those that are severly overweight or for those that have a severe addiction to sugar. Most people that are extremely overweight have developed insulin resistance and have problems that only going low carb can correct. and almost all of them are addicted to sugar and need to break the addiction so they can look at food in a healthy way again and can do a diet like lean gains. What you don't understand is the average overweight person does not have close to the will power you have and the minute you say its ok to have carbs, they are going to ape shite and have a whole damn jar of nutella and a bag of gummie bears. They can't handle it because they still have an addiction. Once the addiction is broken they usually can slowly add back starches.
and i agree 100% that carbs aren't poison they are made out to be but honestly they are useless when cutting. They are essentially a wasted nutrient. and I also agree that you are doing the right approach to your lifting and diet but you have to understand most people are not you and do not poccess your will power.
Just to be clear we pretty much agree on diet and carbs, but I also don't hate low carb diets as they have their place. I love to use protein sparing modified fast and fat fast to drop fat quickly, but it takes extreme will power to do that and most people cant last 3 days on either.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:45 am to goldennugget
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My senior year of college I benched 305, squatted 475, weighed 195
That's not impressive for a college football player at the D-1 level, at your height and weight.
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I'd like to see how many people on this board can do 6 pullups with 50 pounds hanging around their waist
I didn't see one real rep in that video. Knock it down to about 25lbs
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:48 am to goldennugget
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I'd like to see how many people on this board can do 6 pullups with 50 pounds hanging around their waist: LINK
none of those were real reps Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:53 am to rocket31
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not really, the idea that our "metabolisms slows down with age" is mostly a myth
granted, it may slow a little (1-2%) but nothing to make any discernable difference in ones appearance.
depends on hormones. My metabolism changed rapidly, come to find out I suddenly had the testosterone levels of an 80 year old man. My brain had stopped telling my pituatary gland to produce testosterone. This isnt the norm though.
what happens to most people they keep eating like they are still doing tons of activity and the pounds start stacking on quickly. Then they start having hormonal shifts due to the excess weight. It becomes harder and harder to get the weight off.
Then they start coming on meassage boards whining like baby back bitches about how hard this is blah blah blah. Bunch of average fat guys who lack the discpline to do what needs to be done and commit to seeing something through.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:57 am to lsu777
Problem is people see fitness models and body builders and think that is an attainable goal.
When in reality most those people walk around day to day nothing like that. That's why you never see them working out shirtless unless its for a photo shoot.
When in reality most those people walk around day to day nothing like that. That's why you never see them working out shirtless unless its for a photo shoot.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:01 am to Salmon
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none of those were real reps
Wasn't gonna call him out, but none of those were really pullups. Need to be much more controlled. Nugget, try lowering the weight back down and getting the swinging out of the rep. Also your motion is loopy instead of straight up and down, you look like you are almost doing the pattern of a muscle up. I respect you for strapping on the weight as it takes balls to do that but you really need to slow down and get everything under control.
First off, switch to chins. They not only target the biceps better, they also involve more back muscles and are an overall better exercise than pullups.
Second lower the weight and cross your legs at an angle out front. keep them tight with the weight between them.
Third go all the way down and let the arms straighten out and pause for three or four seconds.
Fourth add a slight pause at the top, about a second.
backing off the weight and doing the above will add muscle quickly and will help your stabalizers along with your ligaments. Honestly right now from the motion path of those, your smaller stabalizers and ligaments are not even close to being ready for that kind of weight strapped to you.
Also for pulling movements its better to use a bunch of smaller plates then one big one.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:05 am to The Pirate King
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little-no fried food
Just shoot me now.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:05 am to lsu777
He should know all that if he was in a D-1 S&C program.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:06 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Problem is people see fitness models and body builders and think that is an attainable goal.
When in reality most those people walk around day to day nothing like that. That's why you never see them working out shirtless unless its for a photo shoot.
exactly, true 6% bodyfat is not somehting that you should desire to be at for any length of time. Its something you diet down to for a special event. Then you slowly add weight back and continue to try and gain muscle.
Most people should shoot to obtaina and maintain a true 10-14% bodyfat with the measurement obtained with a Dexa scan.
Look at the image below, average person would be estatic with 15% and that is easily obtainable with right plan and diet but its gonna take lots of effort and discpline, something most lack, sadly.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:08 am to lsu777
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This isnt the norm though.
yes, your case is rare, indeed.
generally speaking most people experience very little metabolism loss with age
its simply a convenient excuse "but muh metabolism"
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:10 am to LSUAlum2001
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Carbs aren't poison, but most people are sedentary, at best, and take in too many carbs per day.
This is exactly it. It isn't that carbs are horrible; they're actually fine in moderation. It is the fact that high carb foods are by nature also high calorie, and you aren't going to lose weight if you're consuming too many calories.
Low carb is one of multiple methods for staying under your TDEE/losing weight. I am not strictly low carb, but I can't knock someone for choosing that route. People who have binge eating and volume issues can't restrict portions, so low carb works perfectly for them.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:11 am to lsu777
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And you know I love lean gains. I believe its the best diet system in the world but its not for those that are severly overweight or for those that have a severe addiction to sugar. Most people that are extremely overweight have developed insulin resistance and have problems that only going low carb can correct. and almost all of them are addicted to sugar and need to break the addiction so they can look at food in a healthy way again and can do a diet like lean gains. What you don't understand is the average overweight person does not have close to the will power you have and the minute you say its ok to have carbs, they are going to ape shite and have a whole damn jar of nutella and a bag of gummie bears. They can't handle it because they still have an addiction. Once the addiction is broken they usually can slowly add back starches.
Alright it all makes sense now when you put it this way, as carbs being an addiction. I have probably some form of insulin resistance that I developed when I was a lazy skinny fat piece of shite. I usually have to take a glucose tablet before going to bed or otherwise I won't be able to fall asleep. Some nights I don't need to.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:14 am to StraightCashHomey21
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That's not impressive for a college football player at the D-1 level, at your height and weight.
No shite sherlock but I was also a walk on who didn't play. My lifts were among the lowest in my position group.
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I didn't see one real rep in that video. Knock it down to about 25lbs
OK, criticize my form while you don't even post your own video of doing the lift. What constitutes a real rep for you anyway? My chin went above the silver bar which is what a pull up is. It just looks like I didn't go high enough because of the low angle and the fact the pull up grips are a few inches away from the silver bar which is the point of reference. When I first filmed myself doing these I thought I wasn't pulling myself up high enough so my next set I made extra sure I was going high enough and it looked the same on the video. It's the angle that makes it look like I am not going high enough.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:16 am to lsu777
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backing off the weight
Yeah but then you can't say you are doing pull ups with 50lbs strapped on.
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