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re: I am struggling with the moral implications of this St. George thing.

Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:57 pm to
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7571 posts
Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:57 pm to
Yep. Not a high hurdle to clear.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67083 posts
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:00 pm to
They say Baker is a failure, yet if St. George could get their high schools up to Baker’s level, it would probably be a massive success story. That’s how bad the schools are in Baton Rouge.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7571 posts
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:01 pm to
quote:

Zachary sold itself out all for the desire to win in athletics.


Not really. They just had the athletes to compete, incredibly appealing facilities, and good coaches.

Your point about Slaughter could happen though.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7571 posts
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:02 pm to
You think the people of St. George, that are paying for private school education currently, will be happy with a Baker school system?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67083 posts
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:09 pm to
Maybe not the rich, but the middle class folks that are barely affording private schools now or are tired of fighting traffic in AP/LP might.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7571 posts
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:20 pm to
Just looked, Woodlawn scores well above Baker and it’s not even close.

Now, the schools could do great, and would certainly improve. But, I’m not so sure how many would pull their kids out of private schools. Only time will tell.

One major difference from Zachary is that very few in Zachary were in private schools when the ISD was formed. The schools were already good.

The change allowed them to make them great.

With St George there will be a major change in who is attending these schools, teaching in the schools, and running the schools.

It will be much more difficult than Zachary and Central.
Posted by paleantelope
Member since Mar 2019
55 posts
Posted on 6/19/19 at 10:59 pm to
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Just looked, Woodlawn scores well above Baker and it’s not even close. Now, the schools could do great, and would certainly improve. But, I’m not so sure how many would pull their kids out of private schools. Only time will tell. One major difference from Zachary is that very few in Zachary were in private schools when the ISD was formed. The schools were already good. The change allowed them to make them great. With St George there will be a major change in who is attending these schools, teaching in the schools, and running the schools. It will be much more difficult than Zachary and Central.


This is a very valid point. There are few other options for school in Zachary and even Central outside of the public schools and those private schools could not even begin to accommodate the number of kids going to school in either system. That is not true in St. George. There are multiple K-8, K-12 and even a dedicated high school in what would be St. George. I can’t imagine people who have willingly paid (sometimes for years) for what they know are good schools into what might be or become good schools.

I just haven’t seen any indication that there will be a huge population shift to these public schools until they are established as good, but to get to that you need a solid base to start from and I’m not sure how you get that. With the private schools and even EBR’s magnet and Gifted programs you know what you are getting—the new ISD would be a mystery at least for a few years.

One of the things Warren Drake said when he was superintendent in Zachary was that he didn’t want there to be another high school or school for any grade because the competition between schools could hurt the district overall. His goal was every kid goes to every school—it made vertical alignment easy and no one felt their kids were getting a worse or better education than others. This will be an issue in St. George as the private schools aren’t going away and based on the current layout of schools and the calls for new schools while a part of EBR, it will be something the ISD Faces as well.

If St. George is mostly about bettering the schools, there really needs to be a more definitive plan and discussion about what that will look like other than “we will have an ISD” which is basically what the website says.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 4:57 am to
Baton Rouge could have nipped fhis in the bud decades ago by really fighting the feds who destroyed the school system.

St george is also incorporating its only problem areas
, so sit on it and rotate you goddamn fool.
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 6:55 am to
Bottom line the thread should just end like this.

The people and only the people within the proposed city can vote for it. These are the only people who should have a say and really the only people that matter on this topic.

If you do not live in the proposed area make your area better, stop worrying about St George, and have a nice day.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68612 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 6:59 am to
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Is segregation and isolation a good long term strategy for a community?


What? How is it different than any other city?

Is East Baton Rouge segregated and isolated from all parishes in the state? No. So why would creating another city segregate and isolate it from everywhere else?
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
39115 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 7:04 am to
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If you do not live in the proposed area make your area better, stop worrying about St George


Don't tell me what I can and can't worry about, or discuss. I live 700 miles from there but will drive to a local Sonic and give you a lesson in other people's rights.
Posted by SanFranTiger
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2003
4896 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:12 am to
(in late with a dumb question...)

where in Baton Rouge is that area that is trying to break off as St George?
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45123 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:21 am to
So you think that the people living in the St.George area shouldn’t be allowed to choose what they want?
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
39115 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:39 am to
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where in Baton Rouge is that area that is trying to break off as St George?


It is not in Baton Rouge. It is part of the unincorporated area of EBR parish. Mostly south and southeast.
Posted by BruslyTiger
Waiting on 420...
Member since Oct 2003
4608 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 8:47 am to
I am neither for nor against St George and think that the residence in the area have every right to decide for themselves.

I think the biggest dilemma that may have not been considered is what is going to happen to all of the teachers currently employed by the East Baton Rouge School system and to be more specific, the ones with tenure. You cannot change school districts in the state of Louisiana and retain your tenure and the teachers would be starting over. I think that in those cases those teachers will remain with EBR Schools.

quote:

where in Baton Rouge is that area that is trying to break off as St George?
The short answer is "No where". St George is in an unincorporated of East Baton Rouge Parish.

Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 9:28 am to
Bring it on little kid.
I’m not scared.
Drive down to sonic or there boxing gym in Carencro or even California I trained at.
I bet there good gyms in the BR area.
Please give me a lesson in people’s rights who do not live in an area to tell people who live in an area what to do.

Yes I will give you first punch.
After that it’s boxing and a fun sport.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 9:33 am
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4709 posts
Posted on 6/20/19 at 11:45 am to
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IF the St. George ISD is created and IF your kid was accepted for BRMHS, you can exercise one of the freedoms of living in the USA and MOVE to be within the EBR Public School district. Problem solved.


If BR is so bad because of all the "undesirables" why not exercise one of the freedoms of living in the USA and move to a city that better fits your idea of the perfect ciy?
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6772 posts
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:17 am to
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If BR is so bad because of all the "undesirables" why not exercise one of the freedoms of living in the USA and move to a city that better fits your idea of the perfect ciy?


St. George is not IN BR, so just incorporate and become a city and set up an ISD. Now that's exercising an American freedom.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 8:18 am
Posted by AFistfulof$
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2013
973 posts
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:48 am to
I’m late to this thread and didn’t go through and read all the responses..... but this is the biggest sensationalist load of utter crap that I’ve ever read. Blame the ppl that have worked hard, done the right things, pay their taxes and want better services, more accountability, and better schools for their children. Don’t blame the corrupt politicians stealing and lying to the very ppl they are supposed to be representing. Don’t blame the welfare drug addicted leeches who don’t have self respect for themselves much less their kids. They could give two shits ab trapping their offspring in the same cycle of poverty. Tell me what more is the average law abiding, tax paying citizen supposed to do for these ppl that refuse to help themselves? This is everything that is wrong w the liberal mentality. Blame someone else instead of looking in the mirror. Want even more taxes and government control in their lives even though these same ppl have been robbing them and actively keeping them down for decades. Wake the frick up man. Your post is terrible and you should feel terrible. Struggling morally? Are you physically forcing these ppl to make bad choices? BUT GIVE ME MORE MONEY AND ILL FIX IT!! smdh
/endrant/
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26317 posts
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:31 am to
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If BR is so bad because of all the "undesirables" why not exercise one of the freedoms of living in the USA and move to a city that better fits your idea of the perfect ciy?


You mean like St George? A city that, if created, has never been a part of the City of Baton Rouge?

Sounds like you agree with the incorporation effort after all.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 9:32 am
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