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re: I am over the poverty equates to crime narrative fed to us

Posted on 10/9/25 at 10:59 am to
Posted by tigernurse
Member since Dec 2005
36193 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 10:59 am to
Probably more dads in the home in Appalachia than West Philly too.

Now they may be cooking meth- but they cooking it at home.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
3252 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 10:59 am to
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I take it you haven't heard of the pickpocket epidemic in Europe and Asia


Heck, or cracked open a book about Victorian England. Any race can be nasty and the scumbag/loser cultures that drive pickpocketing cause people to be in poverty to begin with.

On the other hand, I think you could easily argue that criticism of certain races is "frowned upon" and that the lack of criticism leads to more bad behavior
Posted by Sunnyvale
Member since Feb 2024
2256 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:00 am to
They have done studies correlation between racial demographics and poverty with income.

Even when you take the poorest counties/parishes across the country, look at the demographics by race. The crime component is hugly disporportional between them and leans to one specific "trait"

But no one wants to hear this.

They had great, communities that dicussed this, but they quickly got outlawed after the "free exchange of ideas" was echoed out as hate speech.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2372 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:02 am to
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y are poor Asian countries able to still excelling in school


It's absolutely a culture problem. But culture is greatly be molded by economics. Both sides of my family came from farming. My dad's side could afford to send my grandfather to school in NOLA then on to college. My mom's side didn't finish high school and went straight to working on the farm. My mom's dad ended up working for my dad's dad. They lived next door to each other in similar houses going to the same schools. Both had 7 kids. All of my dad's side went to college even though they went to all the same public schools, while no-one went on my mom's side. Everyone on my dad's side is relatively successful. I'm fairly certain I have homeless cousins on my mom's side (not close at all).

Visiting grandparents on each side was vastly different. Dad's side grew up knowing education was valuable because they had access. Mom's side didn't raise their kids that way. They didn't fully grasp that in rural Louisiana. Culturally they didn't have the same expectations of their children. And it compounds through generations. My aunts and uncles on dad's side probably outperformed their parents. Aunts and uncles on mom's side seem to be even trashier (save for maybe my mom and on uncle who married into better families).
Posted by ClemsonKitten
Member since Aug 2025
484 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:05 am to
I did lmao
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
11650 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:05 am to
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He clearly wasn’t trying to hit her that hard on that first swing and she went flying.

She came right back for more because he hits like a bitch.
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
983 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:05 am to
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She came right back for more because he hits like a bitch.

Why are you so upset?
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50703 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:06 am to
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I did lmao


No you didn’t.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46040 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:07 am to
If you're stupid, you better be tough
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
11650 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:09 am to
why are you simping so hard for this dork?
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
41987 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:09 am to
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Now they may be cooking meth- but they cooking it at home.


Posted by ClemsonKitten
Member since Aug 2025
484 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:10 am to
I’ve been to some rough areas in Eastern Europe, Latin America, Africa, and Asia. While crime does exist, it is mostly gang related outside pick pocketing. Here in some parts of the US, I am more than likely to be randomly targeted for a violent crime.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5907 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:11 am to
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It is definitely a culture problem!


I would say you're correct on this point but the reasoning you gave was off. It's really not hard to figure out why people in poverty are in poverty in the first place.


Guy grows up without real parental supervision. Guy falls in with the wrong crowd that offers quick money and women if he'll sell drugs/commit other crimes. Guy gets girl pregnant because kids have sex and oftentimes, they do it without a condom. Guy feels like the king of the world at 16-17 years old when he's getting laid and walks around with a pocket full of money. Eventually, guy gets killed in gang/drug activity or goes to prison. Baby momma now has a kid that the government has to support and she typically doesn't have much more than a high school education, if that. Kid of original guy grows up with a childish mother and an imprisoned/dead father, so he likely is poor. Kid meets somebody who offers him money and comfort from his poverty lifestyle and the cycle rinses and repeats.


All of this stems from the destruction of the nuclear family and this idea that it's a good idea to bang lots of women but raise none of the children you father. Certain communities tend to do this more than others and that's why you see them continuing to toil in mediocrity generation after generation.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127760 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:11 am to
I mean...crime rates do have a direct correlation with levels of wealth.

But that also directly correlates to: Two Parent households and IQ as well
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
9691 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:12 am to
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Urban crime is an American problem, not a universal problem.


Lines like this are why those debating you just call you ignorant instead of taking time to debate you.

Also, post this shite to FB. Nobody gives us a frick what you're over.
This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 11:14 am
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5907 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:15 am to
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But that also directly correlates to: Two Parent households and IQ as well


That's always a fun argument people try to make. "My skin color is the reason I'm poor!" Unless you're a significant earner, the overwhelming majority of the time, two incomes is going to give you more than one. Certain demographics are exponentially more likely to have a single earner in the house and many times, that single earner is frankly government welfare. But people don't want to hear or accept that reality.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57789 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:15 am to
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I am over the poverty equates to crime narrative fed to us


Poverty doesn't equate to crime, but it certainly feeds it.

Poverty can have a myriad of causes (laziness, medical condition, addiction, etc) but there's a reason the most violent areas of every city are also among the most poor areas of those cities.

That said, far too many look to poverty as a blanket excuse, refusing to acknowledge that there is an aspect of learned behavior which can come into play as well.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50703 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:16 am to
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I’ve been to some rough areas in Eastern Europe, Latin America, Africa, and Asia. While crime does exist, it is mostly gang related outside pick pocketing. Here in some parts of the US, I am more than likely to be randomly targeted for a violent crime.


Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13304 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:17 am to
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Your family is struggling and I am supposed to believe that going to jail over a few dollars is going to solve the problem?


I think you are misunderstanding. Typically speaking you see more crime from people in poverty because they lack education, which leads to poor decision making, despair, and perceived opportunity. This fosters the gang culture in urban areas to offer a sense of purpose and way out, but you see it in all types of radicalization like Islamic terrorism, cartels in Central America, guerrilla groups in South America, etc. When you have little value for your own life, the life of other people or property is equally valueless, so shooting someone over "disrespecting your turf" or carjacking someone is not a big deal.

I think you don't see violent crime as much in rural poor areas because of just a lack of population. Hard to have rival gangs of 15-25 year old dudes when there are maybe 100 in town and they all know each other. You still see meth heads stealing copper and small property crimes though, go look at the parish inmate roster for any rural parish in Louisiana.

quote:

It is definitely a culture problem!


This is right, but to devalue the impact of poverty on that culture is to miss the big picture.
Posted by SludgeFactory
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Jun 2025
2219 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 11:17 am to
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Lines like this are why those debating you just call you ignorant instead of taking time to debate you.



That's right, Comrade. Idiots like the OP should be shot in the neck in front of their families. No debate necessary. That way everyone understands you are right.

Sincerely,

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