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re: Hurricane Florence - Catastrophic Flooding Potential

Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:02 pm to
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147072 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

Frogs are screeching in wild abandon.

you goin' giggin'?
Posted by TigerNAtux
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
18622 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:08 pm to
No, but I should have gone fishin’ last night.

Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177206 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:19 pm to
Pensacola Beach is still getting raped.
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64514 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:22 pm to
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Just got a weather channel “breaking news” - Florence strengthens to Cat 3 in the Atlantic. Let the hype train begin now that Gordon is over.


I love the weather as much as anyone but if I got TWC notifications I’d blow my brains out
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64514 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:26 pm to
Look I’m not really defending the school closing decisions but these are the kinds of decisions systems/businesses are forced into in the liability world we live in

If ONE kid had gotten hurt bc they didn’t close when the forecasters earlier on had the storm impacting their district it could’ve cost them millions of dollars in lawsuits

These are the kinds of decisions that get made when in reality lawyers are dictating the decisions and not meteorologist or anyone else who would be more qualified from a climate perspective

It’s very unfortunate that our tort system has reached this point and I wish there was an easy way to improve it but sadly Idk of one
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64514 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

This is such an odd storm. Huge gap between the center of rotation and the rain. Hardly anything in the state of MS and I was expecting 3-5 inches of rain here in the delta. Haven’t got so much as a drizzle and the center is 80 miles south of me right now. Looks like I won’t get anything as I think the gap will continue to pass over me and the rain will go to north MS around batesville


This unexpected shift has been a godsend for some of my late beans in NE Mississippi

I don’t recall you being involved in grain but if you are I know it’s been the exact opposite for you

One thing about farming, with weather your gain is usually someone else’s loss which kinda sucks
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64514 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:34 pm to
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That's what is intriguing me. We don't have any soybeans, but beans should be fine as long as the sun pops on out behind the storm. The corn crop is probably 80-90% harvested (mine is 98% harvested), but there's a lot of cotton exposed right now.


No longer farm in the Delta but I’ll tell you there’s is a whole LOT MORE crop still in the field of both beans and corn and cotton than you seem to think

All that rain in the spring pushed everyone back

Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21486 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:42 pm to
One thing that needs to be considered in the Gordon "hype" debate is how little we still know about intensity forecasting. It has improved over the years but Florence is an example of a massive short range forecasting bust. The NHC is going to take a 24hr forecast error of 45kt on this one. Now think if that would've happened with Gordon in the Gulf?

Yesterday, no one was thinking Florence would be doing this today.



Posted by TigerNAtux
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
18622 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:46 pm to
Damn that’s a thing of beauty.

Hope she heads north for fishing.

Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:50 pm to
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One thing that needs to be considered in the Gordon "hype" debate is how little we still know about intensity forecasting. It has improved over the years but Florence is an example of a massive short range forecasting bust. The NHC is going to take a 24hr forecast error of 45kt on this one. Now think if that would've happened with Gordon in the Gulf?


INIT 24/0300Z 21.9N 92.6W 30 KT 35 MPH
12H 24/1200Z 22.8N 93.1W 35 KT 40 MPH
24H 25/0000Z 24.1N 94.1W 40 KT 45 MPH
36H 25/1200Z 25.4N 95.4W 50 KT 60 MPH
48H 26/0000Z 26.6N 96.3W 65 KT 75 MPH
72H 27/0000Z 28.5N 97.5W 50 KT 60 MPH...INLAND

The 10 pm Wednesday Harvey forecast.

48 hours later:

...EYE OF CATEGORY 4 HARVEY MAKES LANDFALL BETWEEN PORT ARANSAS AND
PORT O'CONNOR TEXAS...
...CATASTROPHIC FLOODING EXPECTED DUE TO HEAVY RAINFALL AND STORM
SURGE...


SUMMARY OF 1000 PM CDT...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...28.0N 97.0W
ABOUT 30 MI...45 KM ENE OF CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS
ABOUT 45 MI...75 KM SW OF PORT OCONNOR TEXAS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...130 MPH...215 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 325 DEGREES AT 7 MPH...11 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...938 MB...27.70 INCHES

Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102538 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 1:49 pm to
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Rainfall projections from the 12z NAM model:



That thing has 6-9 inches of rain on me. It can get fricked
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102538 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

don’t recall you being involved in grain but if you are I know it’s been the exact opposite for you



I catfish farm. Water doesn’t hurt my crop
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102538 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 1:55 pm to
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has improved over the years but Florence is an example of a massive short range forecasting bust. The NHC is going to take a 24hr forecast error of 45kt on this one. Now think if that would've happened with Gordon in the Gulf?


That’s what happened with Harvey last year in 48 hours and nobody evacuated Houston because it was supposed to be a weak storm, and you’re correct 36 hours ago Florence was a TS and supposed to weaken before getting stronger. Instead it blew up.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102538 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 1:56 pm to


That thing has a lot of warm water and low shear to pass through. Gonna be massive one
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64514 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

catfish farm. Water doesn’t hurt my crop



Yea I knew that’s what you mainly did

You should get into some row crop, you obviously need some more stress in your life
Posted by Zephyrius
Wharton, La.
Member since Dec 2004
9567 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:08 pm to
Although 9 days out but the last 2 runs of Euro is trending east coast for Florence.




Posted by prostyleoffensetime
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2009
12529 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:29 pm to
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No longer farm in the Delta but I’ll tell you there’s is a whole LOT MORE crop still in the field of both beans and corn and cotton than you seem to think All that rain in the spring pushed everyone back


I farm in the delta, and didn’t suggest that there wasn’t a lot of crop in the field.

I would guess like 1-2% of the cotton has been picked. Less than 10% has even been defoliated

A lot of people are finished/wrapping up corn harvest. It should be fine since we’re not getting much wind at all out of this.

Soybeans, maybe 20% harvested, probably more like 10-15%, but like I said, if the sun comes on out Friday and Saturday, they should weather it pretty well.

If it stays nasty through the weekend, we’ll have some real issues with deteriorating cotton quality and soybean damage on our hands.
Posted by GEAUXT
Member since Nov 2007
30508 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:30 pm to
damn, that storm is going to be a monster
Posted by CuseTiger
Member since Jul 2013
9068 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:47 pm to
Supposed to fly through baltimore next thursday night to nola, looks right around the time that florence should be nearby . About to spend some extra $$ and book delta through detroit...
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 9/5/18 at 3:04 pm to
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It’s very unfortunate that our tort system has reached this point and I wish there was an easy way to improve it but sadly Idk of one

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."--Billy Shakespeare
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