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re: Hurricane Florence - Catastrophic Flooding Potential
Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:55 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:55 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
i hate duds.

Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:56 pm to rt3
Anyone that acts like this isn’t a dangerous storm still is a certified imbecile
Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:59 pm to NYNolaguy1
Houston saw no winds from Harvey. Look what happened. A 20,inch rain event is gonna swamp a lot of people and infrastructure.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:00 pm to BeeFense5
Matthew was barely a CAT1 and it did plenty of damage and it didn't go inland.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:01 pm to BeeFense5
quote:
RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT DATA AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT KATRINA HAS BECOME A LARGER HURRICANE. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 40 MILES FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 150 MILES. TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE OCCURRING JUST OFFSHORE OF THE NORTHERN COAST OF WESTERN CUBA.
This was 48 hours before landfall.
quote:
Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles (110 km) from the center and tropical-storm-force winds now extend outward up to 195 miles (315 km).
Assuming we are about 48 hours from "landfall" if the steering currents did not break down. This close to landfall, Florence is a larger storm than Katrina. Katrina blew up even larger in last 48 hours during eyewall cycles which reduced max winds but spread them out more.
A storm of this size, sitting for this long, is going to blow in tremendous amounts of storm surge.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:02 pm to Tiger Ryno
Tropical Storm Isaac Discussion Number 21
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092018
500 PM AST Wed Sep 12 2018
The satellite presentation of Isaac hasn't changed much in the past
several hours, with the center exposed on the west side of a
re-developing band of convection. On the last pass of the NOAA
Hurricane Hunter aircraft, peak flight-level winds were 61 kt and
SFMR values were about 50 kt. These data support an initial wind
speed estimate of 50 kt. It is interesting to note that the
surface center is estimated to be a tenth of a degree or two south
of the well-defined swirl on satellite--a function of the fast
forward speed and high shear.
The shear is forecast to continue for the next day or two, and
gradual weakening is anticipated, in line with the model
guidance. Given the strong shear, it is possible that Isaac could
degenerate into a wave near the Lesser Antilles. After that time,
Isaac could escape the upper-level trough over the central Atlantic
that has been shearing the cyclone, and find a more conducive
environment. More of the model guidance is suggesting some
reintensification of the cyclone in the western Caribbean Sea, with
the biggest hold-out being the ECMWF. Continuity dictates that the
forecast not change as much as the guidance, most of which is
showing a hurricane at long range, so the compromise solution is no
longer dissipating the cyclone and flat-lining the intensity at
long range. It almost goes without saying that this is a
low-confidence intensity forecast.
Isaac has accelerated to near 17 kt over the past 12 hours, and the
shorter-term motion is closer to 20 kt with the convection-less
center. A mid-tropospheric high is forecast to persist for the next
several days, which should keep the cyclone moving westward, albeit
at a slightly slower pace. The model guidance has shifted a bit to
the north on this cycle, but is mostly in response to the initial
latitude. The NHC track forecast is moved northward as well but
still lies on the south side of the consensus. At long range, it
makes sense when forecasting a weaker system to stay on the left
and faster side of the consensus, so that's where the new NHC
prediction lies.
Key Messages:
1. Isaac is expected to remain at tropical storm intensity when it
moves across the Lesser Antilles on Thursday, and tropical storm
warnings are in effect for Martinique, Dominica, and Guadeloupe.
Tropical storm watches are in effect for Montserrat, St. Kitts and
Nevis, Antigua, and Saba and St. Eustatius. Interests on those
islands should follow any advice given by their local officials.
2. Life-threatening flash flooding is possible with Isaac. The
storm is expected to produce total rainfall accumulations of 2 to 4
inches with isolated amounts up 8 inches across Martinique,
Dominica and Guadeloupe. Rainfall amounts of 1 to 2 inches with
isolated amounts to 4 inches are expected across Puerto Rico and the
southern United States Virgin Islands.
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
INIT 12/2100Z 15.4N 56.6W 50 KT 60 MPH
12H 13/0600Z 15.6N 59.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 13/1800Z 15.8N 61.8W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 14/0600Z 16.0N 64.8W 45 KT 50 MPH
48H 14/1800Z 16.0N 67.6W 40 KT 45 MPH
72H 15/1800Z 16.0N 72.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
96H 16/1800Z 16.5N 76.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
120H 17/1800Z 17.5N 80.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
$$
Forecaster Blake
As RDS said earlier today Isaac might not be dead just yet.
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092018
500 PM AST Wed Sep 12 2018
The satellite presentation of Isaac hasn't changed much in the past
several hours, with the center exposed on the west side of a
re-developing band of convection. On the last pass of the NOAA
Hurricane Hunter aircraft, peak flight-level winds were 61 kt and
SFMR values were about 50 kt. These data support an initial wind
speed estimate of 50 kt. It is interesting to note that the
surface center is estimated to be a tenth of a degree or two south
of the well-defined swirl on satellite--a function of the fast
forward speed and high shear.
The shear is forecast to continue for the next day or two, and
gradual weakening is anticipated, in line with the model
guidance. Given the strong shear, it is possible that Isaac could
degenerate into a wave near the Lesser Antilles. After that time,
Isaac could escape the upper-level trough over the central Atlantic
that has been shearing the cyclone, and find a more conducive
environment. More of the model guidance is suggesting some
reintensification of the cyclone in the western Caribbean Sea, with
the biggest hold-out being the ECMWF. Continuity dictates that the
forecast not change as much as the guidance, most of which is
showing a hurricane at long range, so the compromise solution is no
longer dissipating the cyclone and flat-lining the intensity at
long range. It almost goes without saying that this is a
low-confidence intensity forecast.
Isaac has accelerated to near 17 kt over the past 12 hours, and the
shorter-term motion is closer to 20 kt with the convection-less
center. A mid-tropospheric high is forecast to persist for the next
several days, which should keep the cyclone moving westward, albeit
at a slightly slower pace. The model guidance has shifted a bit to
the north on this cycle, but is mostly in response to the initial
latitude. The NHC track forecast is moved northward as well but
still lies on the south side of the consensus. At long range, it
makes sense when forecasting a weaker system to stay on the left
and faster side of the consensus, so that's where the new NHC
prediction lies.
Key Messages:
1. Isaac is expected to remain at tropical storm intensity when it
moves across the Lesser Antilles on Thursday, and tropical storm
warnings are in effect for Martinique, Dominica, and Guadeloupe.
Tropical storm watches are in effect for Montserrat, St. Kitts and
Nevis, Antigua, and Saba and St. Eustatius. Interests on those
islands should follow any advice given by their local officials.
2. Life-threatening flash flooding is possible with Isaac. The
storm is expected to produce total rainfall accumulations of 2 to 4
inches with isolated amounts up 8 inches across Martinique,
Dominica and Guadeloupe. Rainfall amounts of 1 to 2 inches with
isolated amounts to 4 inches are expected across Puerto Rico and the
southern United States Virgin Islands.
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
INIT 12/2100Z 15.4N 56.6W 50 KT 60 MPH
12H 13/0600Z 15.6N 59.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 13/1800Z 15.8N 61.8W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 14/0600Z 16.0N 64.8W 45 KT 50 MPH
48H 14/1800Z 16.0N 67.6W 40 KT 45 MPH
72H 15/1800Z 16.0N 72.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
96H 16/1800Z 16.5N 76.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
120H 17/1800Z 17.5N 80.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
$$
Forecaster Blake
As RDS said earlier today Isaac might not be dead just yet.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:05 pm to lsufan112001
quote:or even less from the looks of it. Intensity predictions are still pretty primitive so I guess anything is possible. .
Florence will be down to 90 mph by the time it hits land.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:06 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:
That will be small consolation to the people who are swimming in a 15-20' storm surge because they thought it was "only a cat 2".
Yes, but I’d rather deal with 1 or the other. Not both. Flooding is awful, but throwing in hurricane winds would be a nightmare too.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:08 pm to Chillini
You are better off having your roof blown off and water getting in that way versus flooding. A lot of people don't have flood insurance.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:10 pm to Tiger Ryno
You think Florida will try to cancel their game on Saturday?
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:10 pm to Chillini
Wind gets all the hype but storm surge and rain kill people...


Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:10 pm to Chillini
quote:
Yes, but I’d rather deal with 1 or the other. Not both. Flooding is awful, but throwing in hurricane winds would be a nightmare too.
The wind field on this storm is yuge, and the storm surge will be big too. Just anothor small reminder that an "only" cat 3 Katrina put 30' of storm surge into Miss. Too many people see winds going down and think the danger is past.
I wonder how many people would want to go swimming in Pass Christian during that, or get trapped in the attic and no where to go with water rising.
Again, I blame the SS hurricane scale more than people misinterpreting it.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:11 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:
You are better off having your roof blown off and water getting in that way versus flooding. A lot of people don't have flood insurance.
If you live on the coast without flood insurance you are asking for problems.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:12 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:
You are better off having your roof blown off and water getting in that way versus flooding. A lot of people don't have flood insurance.
And homeowners covers a lot more stuff like additional living and returning the home to prestorm condition compared to a flood policy.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:12 pm to Macintosh
quote:
Meh this thing is looking weaker by the minute. All this hoopla for nothing
It's worth noting that the slow forward speed as she approaches landfall maxes for a lower maximum surge height but it pushes more water inland on the whole.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:13 pm to otowntiger
quote:
or even less from the looks of it. Intensity predictions are still pretty primitive so I guess anything is possible. .
Didn't someone mention that a storm this big that has spent the amount of time it has at major strength will be pushing significant surge regardless of final wind speeds at landfall?
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:15 pm to lsufan112001
quote:
Florence will be down to 90 mph by the time it hits land.
Probably not but I won't be surprised if the max recorded gusts are lower than the classified sustained wind speed. That seems like it's fairly common anyway.
Of course, 12+ hours of hurricane conditions along a wide swath of coast is going to be nuts regardless.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:17 pm to tokenBoiler
Yes as soon as it is possible truckloads of water will arrive at Anheuser Busch wholesalers in the affected areas and they begin distributing it in the communities through disaster relief agencies or simply by dropping pallets of it off at shelters for people to come and get. I worked for AB for many years which is how I know how it works.
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