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re: Hurricane Florence - Catastrophic Flooding Potential

Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:44 pm to
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:44 pm to
Holy shite.
Posted by BPTiger
Atlanta
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:44 pm to
I think what you are seeing is the outflow.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:44 pm to
Charleston folks looking for gas cans, there are some left at the O’Reilly auto parts on Folly Rd.
Posted by Rox
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:45 pm to
quote:


I feel bad for all of the people who are now having to decide whether they need to leave or if they can stay, there are people who this time yesterday thought they were good to stay, and suddenly it looks like they may need to leave.
I feel bad for them too but at least they are getting some sorta notice and it's not at the 11th hour or a tornado that gives you next to zero notice. People have been saying since Florence got on the map that everyone on the East Coast needs to be on alert.


ETA: I don't wish anyone to be in harms way and I hope supplies and means are available for people to get out. I just hope they are keeping themselves up to date and have a plan.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 3:46 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:46 pm to


5:00 forecast out. Back to 140 mph and 945mb.

Eta: Roll tide Ravens
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 3:48 pm
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:46 pm to
5pm advisory forecast track:

Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:48 pm to
There's outflow all around, all the steamy looking stuff pulling around the storm. I'm noting the bit of a stretch in the outflow to the NE side, which well could be nothing significant.
Posted by CidCock
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:49 pm to
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Duke



I expected the track to move more into SC like the Euro has been saying all along. They seem to be relying more heavily on the GFS, yes?
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

I expected the track to move more into SC like the Euro has been saying all along. They seem to be relying more heavily on the GFS, yes?


Model consensus. The discussion will get into all that when it gets posted here in a minute.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:51 pm to
Also, looks like it is predicted to get to 155mph tomorrow evening. 156mph is Cat. 5.
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

I feel bad for all of the people who are now having to decide whether they need to leave or if they can stay, there are people who this time yesterday thought they were good to stay, and suddenly it looks like they may need to leave.

Safe decision is to leave if you’re even under a threat. There will no doubt be people who will complain about having left if their area doesn’t get hit. I don’t think you can chance it, though.
Grocery stores here are nailing up metal of some type on their windows. A lot of boarding going on-not for the wind for the looters. The guy putting up the metal sheaths told me there are people that will loot and get away with it because police won't respond to theft calls in a state of emergency.

After many years I now understand people that stay to protect their property. The people near the water are fools but more inland I see why people stay.

Does home owners insurance cover theft during a hurricane?
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:53 pm to
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This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 3:55 pm
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:53 pm to
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I don’t think there is a new discussion until the 11pm EDT advisory (next full advisory). The last one was at 11am.



There's a discussion coming. This is a full advisory.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

There's a discussion coming. This is a full advisory.

You’re correct, I got confused on the advisory timings.
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:55 pm to
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There's a discussion coming

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Posted by Prominentwon
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

I feel bad for all of the people who are now having to decide whether they need to leave or if they can stay, there are people who this time yesterday thought they were good to stay, and suddenly it looks like they may need to leave.

Safe decision is to leave if you’re even under a threat. There will no doubt be people who will complain about having left if their area doesn’t get hit. I don’t think you can chance it, though.


Honestly, I know it’s inconvenient, but living on the coast where you’re vulnerable to hurricanes, there should always be either a plan or awareness as to what can happen.

People staying will put other people’s lives in danger as well.

People should know the risks. Now there’s a risk, it’s time to react.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

I expected the track to move more into SC like the Euro has been saying all along. They seem to be relying more heavily on the GFS, yes?
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Model consensus. The discussion will get into all that when it gets posted here in a minute.
Which is more accurate? Which one is the weather channel using? The weather channel changes it constantly and even admits they don't know but then show the cone getting smaller, YET use language that leads one to believe they have no idea. I mean, myself and many others have been prepping and planning for Wed. now it's landfall Fri. I wish the local authorities would figure this out with the experts so I know what to do.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51688 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

Hurricane Florence Discussion Number 50
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062018
500 PM AST Tue Sep 11 2018

Microwave satellite data indicate that Florence completed a full
eyewall replacement cycle (ERC) a few hours ago, and recent visible
and infrared imagery suggests that the eye has contracted slightly.
Outflow continues to expand in all quadrants, and the outflow jets
to the northwest and east have become better defined. Satellite
intensity estimates from TAFB, SAB, and UW-CIMSS ADT are all
T6.0/115 kt, and recent NHC objective intensity estimates are
T6.2/120 kt. Given that the eye has mostly cleared out and has also
warmed to near 19 deg C, the initial intensity has been bumped
upward to 120 kt, which could be conservative. All of the wind radii
had to be expanded/increased based on a blend of the earlier
reconnaissance data and a 1430 UTC ASCAT scatterometer pass.

The initial motion estimate is now 300/15 kt. There remains no
significant to the previous track forecast or reasoning. Overall,
the global and regional models have done a good job capturing the
evolving synoptic- scale flow pattern across CONUS, with an
amplifying trough moving onshore the the northwestern U.S. coast,
which is inducing downstream ridging across the northeastern U.S.
and the northwestern Atlantic Ocean. Water vapor imagery indicates
that the blocking high pressure northwest of Bermuda is continuing
to build and shift slowly eastward. The 12Z GFS model made a
significant shift to the west, the UKMET made a shift to the east,
and the ECMWF track has remained basically unchanged through 72
hours. As a result the consensus models have made only minor track
shifts to the west. What is noticeable is that all of the global and
regional models are indicating that the steering currents will
collapse by 72 h when Florence is approaching the southeast U.S.
coast. The weak steering currents are expected to continue through
the weekend, which makes the forecast track on days 3-5 quite
uncertain. The latest NHC forecast track is very similar to the
previous two advisory tracks, and lies the middle of the guidance
envelope between the consensus models TVCA to the north and the HCCA
and FSSE models to the south.

During the next 24 hours or so, Florence is expected to remain in a
very favorable environment consisting of low shear near 5 kt, an
expanding upper-level outflow pattern, and above-average SSTs of
29.0-29.5 deg C, which should result in additional strengthening.
By 48 h, the decreasing forward speed along with the large
inner-core wind field should induce some upwelling and gradual
weakening. Although the GFS- and ECMWF-based SHIPS intensity models
are indicating an increase in the southwesterly shear to near 20 kt,
this could be due to the SHIPS model capturing Florence's own
strong outflow from the GFS and ECMWF model fields. Despite the
weakening shown at 72 hours, Florence is still expected to remain a
dangerous hurricane through landfall. After Florence moves inland,
the slow forward speed of less than 5 kt should cause a rapid spin
down and weakening of the hurricane's circulation. The new NHC
intensity forecast is a little above the highest guidance based on
the aforementioned very favorable synoptic outflow pattern, and to
maintain continuity with the previous forecast.

Key Messages:

1. A life-threatening storm surge is now highly likely along
portions of the coastlines of South Carolina and North Carolina, and
a Storm Surge Warning is in effect for a portion of this area. All
interests from South Carolina into the mid-Atlantic region should
ensure they have their hurricane plan in place and follow any advice
given by local officials.

2. Life-threatening, catastrophic flash flooding and significant
river flooding is likely over portions of the Carolinas and
Mid-Atlantic states from late this week into early next week, as
Florence is expected to slow down as it approaches the coast and
moves inland.

3. Damaging hurricane-force winds are likely along portions of the
coasts of South Carolina and North Carolina, and a Hurricane Warning
has been issued for a part of this area. Damaging winds could also
spread well inland into portions of the Carolinas and Virginia.

4. Large swells affecting Bermuda and portions of the U.S. East
Coast will continue this week, resulting in life-threatening surf
and rip currents.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 11/2100Z 27.5N 67.1W 120 KT 140 MPH
12H 12/0600Z 28.7N 69.3W 130 KT 150 MPH
24H 12/1800Z 30.4N 72.1W 135 KT 155 MPH
36H 13/0600Z 32.1N 74.5W 130 KT 150 MPH
48H 13/1800Z 33.4N 76.2W 120 KT 140 MPH
72H 14/1800Z 34.5N 77.7W 100 KT 115 MPH...NEAR THE COAST
96H 15/1800Z 35.0N 78.8W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND
120H 16/1800Z 35.7N 81.7W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND

$$
Forecaster Stewart

This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 4:03 pm
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:01 pm to
quote:

stay to protect property


What difference does it make If you die? There are ways to boobie trap Your home to seriously injure or maim looters.
Posted by jackmanusc
Columbia, SC
Member since Apr 2012
3948 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:01 pm to
That’s illegal
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