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re: Hurricane Florence - Catastrophic Flooding Potential

Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:14 pm to
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:14 pm to
I think the Euro ensemble was showing a 50% chance of a TD in the Gulf from this in the next few days.
Found it
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted by CidCock
Member since Sep 2007
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:14 pm to
Agree 100%
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
18049 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:15 pm to
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Am I the only 1 surprised there's not like round the clock Hurricane Hunter missions now into Florence since this looks like it could be a huge impact to the US?


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The NOAA G-IV jet is conducting a synoptic surveillance mission this afternoon to gather data near and around Florence for assimilation into the numerical models, and these missions will continue through Tuesday. In addition, upper-air stations across portions of the central and eastern U.S. are conducting special 0600 UTC and 1800
UTC radiosonde launches to collect extra data for the numerical models. Hopefully these data will help improve the track and intensity forecasts.

This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 4:15 pm
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:27 pm to
If it really stalls out, Greenville NC may be this year's Houston.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51685 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:31 pm to
5pm EDT Advisory for Florence. I highlighted some important/noteworthy points in the discussion.



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Hurricane Florence Discussion Number 42
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
AL062018
500 PM AST
Sun Sep 09 2018
The last reconnaissance fix indicated that the pressure had fallen to about 978 mb with Florence, a drop of about 6 mb in 4 hours, with uncontaminated SFMR winds of about 70 kt. Since then, the satellite presentation has continued to improve, with intensifying deep convection near the center. Thus the wind speed is set to 75 kt on this advisory. Radar data from the NOAA Hurricane Hunter indicated that there were still a few breaks in the eyewall, possibly allowing some dry air to mix into the core. This structure has potentially kept Florence from intensifying rapidly so far. It is likely, however, that the eyewall will close soon with low environmental shear present, resulting in a faster intensification rate. The guidance is remarkably well clustered, with all of the hurricane models showing category 4 strength within 48 hours, which is uncommon given the current intensity. The new forecast continues to show rapid intensification and is increased 5 or 10 kt at most time periods, but it is still not as high as the Florida State Superensemble or the NOAA corrected consensus models. It is worth noting that the model guidance is also significantly increasing the size of Florence's wind field over the next few days, and the official forecast reflects this trend.

The fixes from the aircraft indicate that Florence hasn't gained much latitude yet, and continues moving westward at about 6 kt. There is no change to the synoptic reason as a very strong ridge is forecast to build over the northwestern Atlantic during the next few days. This pattern should steer Florence west-northwestward at a much faster forward speed by Tuesday. On Wednesday, the hurricane will likely turn northwestward and slow down somewhat due to another ridge forming over the Ohio Valley. The most notable change from the previous advisory is that most of the models are showing a faster motion in 3 or 4 days, which unfortunately increases the risk of a destructive hurricane landfall. The GFS and its ensemble mean are outliers from the main model envelope, showing the system near the Outer Banks, while the rest of the guidance is well to the southwest. While a near-miss isn't impossible given the spread of the ECMWF Ensemble, there is much more support for a track to the southwest, especially considering the poleward bias of the GFS thus far this season. Therefore, the official track forecast is shifted a little bit to the southwest, and is very close to the corrected-consensus models.

The NOAA G-IV jet is conducting a synoptic surveillance mission this afternoon to gather data near and around Florence for assimilation into the numerical models, and these missions will continue through Tuesday. In addition, upper-air stations across portions of the central and eastern U.S. are conducting special 0600 UTC and 1800 UTC radiosonde launches to collect extra data for the numerical models. Hopefully these data will help improve the track and intensity forecasts.

Key Messages:

1. There is an increasing risk of two life-threatening impacts from Florence: storm surge at the coast and freshwater flooding from a prolonged heavy rainfall event inland. While it is too soon to determine the exact timing, location, and magnitude of these impacts, interests at the coast and inland from South Carolina into the mid-Atlantic region should closely monitor the progress of Florence, ensure they have their hurricane plan in place, and follow any advice given by local officials.

2. Large swells affecting Bermuda and portions of the U.S. East Coast will continue this week. These swells will result in life-threatening surf and rip currents.

INIT 09/2100Z 24.4N 57.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 10/0600Z 24.6N 58.3W 90 KT 105 MPH
24H 10/1800Z 25.1N 60.4W 105 KT 120 MPH
36H 11/0600Z 25.9N 63.1W 115 KT 130 MPH
48H 11/1800Z 27.0N 66.2W 125 KT 145 MPH
72H 12/1800Z 30.3N 72.6W 130 KT 150 MPH
96H 13/1800Z 33.5N 77.5W 120 KT 140 MPH
120H 14/1800Z 35.0N 79.0W 60 KT 70 MPH...INLAND

$$
Forecaster Blake

This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 4:39 pm
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43293 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:34 pm to
INIT 09/2100Z 24.4N 57.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 10/0600Z 24.6N 58.3W 90 KT 105 MPH
24H 10/1800Z 25.1N 60.4W 105 KT 120 MPH
36H 11/0600Z 25.9N 63.1W 115 KT 130 MPH
48H 11/1800Z 27.0N 66.2W 125 KT 145 MPH
72H 12/1800Z 30.3N 72.6W 130 KT 150 MPH
96H 13/1800Z 33.5N 77.5W 120 KT 140 MPH
120H 14/1800Z 35.0N 79.0W 60 KT 70 MPH...INLAND

$$
Forecaster Blake
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51685 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:36 pm to
Thanks for adding that, didn’t realize that I didn’t copy it.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:39 pm to
The last biggie in Florence's target area was Hugo in 1989, although that hit a little south of this track to NC.
Posted by bobbyleewilliams
Tigertown
Member since Feb 2010
8446 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:40 pm to
quote:

96H 13/1800Z 33.5N 77.5W 120 KT 140 MPH

Damn.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43293 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:45 pm to
no problem.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105236 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 4:48 pm to
So an inland hurricane for nearly a full day. Impressive.
Posted by Sal Minio
17th Street Canal
Member since Sep 2006
4486 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:12 pm to
Let's face it. This is no laughing matter.
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 8:08 pm
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147072 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:23 pm to
I nominate someone go into the SECRant and let all the Carolinians who post in there know that this thread exists
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 5:26 pm
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:33 pm to
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I nominate someone go into the SECRant and let all the Carolinians who post in there know that this thread exists



We have a thread on the South Carolina page, but I'll link this page on that thread.
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
Member since Feb 2011
16266 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:34 pm to
As a South Carolinian in Columbia, I’m glad to see it projected northward for selfish reasons, though that does put friends and work colleagues in NC a tough spot. My wife’s family is supposed to go to Bald Head on Sunday (I’m going that Thursday, after I finish up some meetings), and I’ve been telling them for a couple of days now that they need to monitor the situation closely.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147072 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:36 pm to
quote:

We have a thread on the South Carolina page, but I'll link this page on that thread.

Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102557 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:37 pm to
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160 gusts at landfall?



Something to consider too if it stalls out with the eye over water it won’t weaken very fast. You could have 100+ mph sustained winds for 24 hours just pounding the coast
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102557 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:38 pm to
quote:

start getting stuff together to drive over to Florence and wait the storm out


Drive to Florence to escape Florence
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147072 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

Drive to Florence to escape Florence

I guess my dearly deceased paternal grandmother's name is about to get retired
Posted by Furbs311
South Carolina
Member since Oct 2005
536 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

My wife’s family is supposed to go to Bald Head


We love Bald Head, but don’t think that’s where I’d want to be towards the end of this week
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