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re: HSBC Leak: "Fake Chinese income" mortgages fuel Toronto Real Estate Bubble

Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:11 pm to
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:11 pm to
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Why would they park money in Canada's real estate market?


shite ton of equity if they time it right.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:12 pm to
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This story makes me fear China is in a lot more trouble than the Canadian housing market.



I have no doubt China is F'd and has been a paper tiger financially for a while now. Evergrande is just really ramping up and the fallout hasn't begun to be felt.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:13 pm to
I wonder if the CCP could hook me up with a beach house.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:14 pm to
Legally, there isn't much Chinese people can invest in, and nothing that we would consider solid. That's why those with means invest abroad. The CCP has been cracking down on this (because they want that money invested in Chinese bullshite), so the investors have to park it quietly.

The crucial part is how do those investors get out of China once the paper tiger starts to rip apart.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:15 pm to
The Canadian real estate bubble is massive.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:17 pm to
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Also, this is yet another good reason the USA needs to prevent China from owning any property here


Way too late for that.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:17 pm to
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so the investors have to park it quietly.



It always confused me why the Chinese honed in on Canada but seeing in this article how easy HSBC made it for them it makes much more sense.

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The crucial part is how do those investors get out of China once the paper tiger starts to rip apart.


Also, what will that do to the properties in CA? The ones that are vacant but not mortgaged will just become zombie properties.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:20 pm to
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“You will own nothing and like it!”

China is the enemy of the "globalist" boogeyman, so I don't understand how their disruption of a "globalist" city like Toronto furthers the "globalist" agenda.



Right. This story fits his "own nothing" quote more


Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18094 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:21 pm to
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If these loans are fake and not being paid then HSBC is in trouble.

Depends on if they've been securitized yet or are still sitting in a warehouse. If they've been securitized already it should be interesting to see the rating and the diligence come out in the following lawsuit.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:21 pm to
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It always confused me why the Chinese honed in on Canada

They can't frick around with the US capital markets post 2008 regulations.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:23 pm to
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If they've been securitized already it should be interesting to see the rating and the diligence come out in the following lawsuit.



I know it's Canada but after 2008 forgive me for not putting stock into credit rating agencies
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3577 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:24 pm to
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China is the enemy of the "globalist" boogeyman


Yes but wouldn't you agree that this is because China has their own "globalist" vision...?

Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
17565 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:29 pm to
The banks will cry foul and ask for the tax payers to save them knowing full well their approval process (or lack thereof) is 100% to blame. It’s a very profitable industry.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89832 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:38 pm to
My buddy moved back to the south from Toronto.

Said it just got too much to live there and he realized he would have to live in a shitty apartment the rest of his life if he stayed there.



Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:47 pm to
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Why would they park money in Canada's real estate market


There is a lot of Chinese money that needs to be in something other than Chinese assets. There is a collapse coming in China that will destroy the value of the yuan.

They are desperate to get in anything else, even if it depreciates.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18094 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:58 pm to
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I know it's Canada but after 2008 forgive me for not putting stock into credit rating agencies

They were supposed to get their shite together after it, thats why i'd love to see how they rated these if they did.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89832 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:10 pm to
I was thinking, what’s stopping them from doing this everywhere?

The CCP could set up fictitious companies and send people out to get fraudulent loans to buy property.

Invade a country without firing a shot.



Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19580 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:34 pm to
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Why would they park money in Canada's real estate market?





You not seeing the bubble they are creating? They are buying for the strict purpose of inflating the market then selling out.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24218 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:42 pm to
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You not seeing the bubble they are creating? They are buying for the strict purpose of inflating the market then selling out.


Eh, maybe. I bet most aren’t. I bet this is guys like sky screamer Stout overlooking something.

Most Asians live in tight knit communities and households. I wouldn’t doubt a vast majority of these are one person learning how to buy a house and they all have 15 people living with them. There’s not many Chinese that have just a single person or even 2-3. One hair dresser can’t afford a $1 mil mortgage, but 5 in the same roof could.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19580 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:49 pm to
Hardly, takes a special kind of ignorance and poor education not to know what China is doing to damage Western countries and inflate its own economy. It's spent the last few decades squeezing what it can out of its own people to build a massive middle-class with inflated buying power it's turning its sights on poor countries for their mineral resources and rich countries for their capital investments.
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