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re: HSBC Leak: "Fake Chinese income" mortgages fuel Toronto Real Estate Bubble
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:52 pm to baldona
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:52 pm to baldona
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Eh, maybe. I bet most aren’t. I bet this is guys like sky screamer Stout overlooking something.
Most Asians live in tight knit communities and households. I wouldn’t doubt a vast majority of these are one person learning how to buy a house and they all have 15 people living with them. There’s not many Chinese that have just a single person or even 2-3. One hair dresser can’t afford a $1 mil mortgage, but 5 in the same roof could.
The houses are vacant.
The Chinese buy them and never live in them. The article even mentions how they lied about "remote work" to obtain the mortgages.
Canada has even started a "vacant property tax" to try to force people who own these houses to sell them
Underused Housing Tax
Call me a sky screamer but at least I can read.
FYI my wife is Chinese and no they do not stack 15-20 of them in one house so you're wrong on that too. At most, it is grandparents, parents, and kids so like 6-7 people depending on family size.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:55 pm to stout
How many re rentals where they’re just cash flowing it? That lady can’t live in four houses.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:57 pm to VABuckeye
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How many re rentals where they’re just cash flowing it? That lady can’t live in four houses.
If you Google you will see they weren't even renting them. They were just sitting vacant. There were articles and articles about this as the bubble got bigger in Toronto. As I linked above Canada passed a tax on vacant houses to combat it and Toronto recently raised their vacant tax because it wasn't working as fast as they had hoped to force people to sell.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:06 pm to stout
CCP
They play joke
They buy assets and let them soak
Knick Knack Paddy Whack
Give a dog a bone
CCP doesn't work alone.
They play joke
They buy assets and let them soak
Knick Knack Paddy Whack
Give a dog a bone
CCP doesn't work alone.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:12 pm to Clames
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Hardly, takes a special kind of ignorance and poor education not to know what China is doing to damage Western countries and inflate its own economy. It's spent the last few decades squeezing what it can out of its own people to build a massive middle-class with inflated buying power it's turning its sights on poor countries for their mineral resources and rich countries for their capital investments.
lol. I’m not ignorant I’m just not dumb that falls for crap the media prints. It’s not as easy as you think to just invest overseas. It still takes cash down and a home still has to be maintained. There has to be a caretaker of some sorts.
You realize Americans invest overseas as much or more than any other country right?
ETA: some call it ‘inflating’ others call it investing and selling at the right time. It’s done all the time, what do you think Americans do with second homes all over the world?
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:43 pm to baldona
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what do you think Americans do with second homes all over the world?
Talk about them at cocktail parties.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:22 pm to baldona
The difference is that Americans typically do this to use as vacation properties or rental income. Chinese are using them purely as a store of value because the investable assets in China are seen as too risky.
China has a real-estate bubble because investing in new apartments was the only investment that was likely to make money. Now that everyone can see the Chinese real estate market is collapsing, they’re trying to find anywhere else to park their money.
China has a real-estate bubble because investing in new apartments was the only investment that was likely to make money. Now that everyone can see the Chinese real estate market is collapsing, they’re trying to find anywhere else to park their money.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:38 am to stout
This.
This is why achieving an education is important and why you can’t receive one. Slapping letters and resume credentials on an uneducated person is the recipe for chaos.
China experienced incredible hardship at the hands of the British Empire and American robber barons. We got their population addicted to opium. It got sooooooo bad their peasants led an uprising to kick out the Americans and British. The Boxer Rebellion.
Fast forward 100 years.
China is returning the favor. Our political system encourages and rewards high volume short term grifting by career politicians who barely hide their treasons. It’s nothing for the Chinese to buy them off and flood our country with Fentanyl in the second Opium Wars. They are disrupting our economy the same way we disrupted theirs before 1900. We are only thinking to the next election cycle. The Chinese are thinking about 2124.
This is why achieving an education is important and why you can’t receive one. Slapping letters and resume credentials on an uneducated person is the recipe for chaos.
China experienced incredible hardship at the hands of the British Empire and American robber barons. We got their population addicted to opium. It got sooooooo bad their peasants led an uprising to kick out the Americans and British. The Boxer Rebellion.
Fast forward 100 years.
China is returning the favor. Our political system encourages and rewards high volume short term grifting by career politicians who barely hide their treasons. It’s nothing for the Chinese to buy them off and flood our country with Fentanyl in the second Opium Wars. They are disrupting our economy the same way we disrupted theirs before 1900. We are only thinking to the next election cycle. The Chinese are thinking about 2124.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:51 am to stout
quote:I bet they made really good grades
The whistleblower, a Canadian business school graduate

Posted on 2/7/24 at 6:09 am to When in Rome
You react like the typical student when overwhelmed by lack of effort and insufficient motivation. China is counting on you to blame the messenger instead of making lifestyle changes snd moral choices.
Why China isn’t a paper tiger-
How China Outsmarted the Neocons and Neoliberals from Ivy League America
Why China isn’t a paper tiger-
How China Outsmarted the Neocons and Neoliberals from Ivy League America
Posted on 2/7/24 at 6:18 am to kingbob
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Did they defraud the bank to get the loans to buy the property and just never pay the note? If no one’s paying the note, why wouldn’t the bank just repo the property?
Because we are talking about Canada here. The most cucked country with King Cuck himself running point.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 6:19 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 6:20 am to kingbob
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China has a real-estate bubble because investing in new apartments was the only investment
China is an always has been a joke.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 6:24 am to stout
The US and Canada probably need to go to citizen owned property only.
China/Chinese companies should be stripped of all property
China/Chinese companies should be stripped of all property
Posted on 2/7/24 at 6:28 am to stout
So Canada doesn't verify income? Good to know.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 6:31 am to dgnx6
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Invade a country without firing a shot.
Central America is trying.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 6:40 am to stout
If anyone wants to take a look at the ownership of the condos in the converted Chase building south tower, I can promise you there are some Chinese names.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 6:44 am to Big4SALTbro
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The US and Canada probably need to go to citizen owned property only. China/Chinese companies should be stripped of all property
This is not easy to complete. There’s plenty of areas that would prefer local citizen only owned property and remove all non locals from owning and investing. That would absolutely crash and demolish the market.
Again, owning foreign property is not easy. You still pay mortgage, taxes, insurance, and upkeep. You have to time the market well or worth losing a ton. There’s tons of local that make money off this from the local banks on the mortgages, the local repair guys, real estate agents, etc.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:21 am to deeprig9
Because that would never cause an epidemic of homelessness and addiction. Look around folks. They don’t want the real estate.
They don’t want to rule over the trailer parks and 3500 square foot cardboard cutouts, either.
This is about giving us just enough rope to hang ourselves. Doing the right thing is difficult. It’s an everyday struggle.
Being a lazy arse complainer who expects the rest of us to clothe, feed, and house your stank is easy.
Anyway, I don’t want to ruin the surprise.
They don’t want to rule over the trailer parks and 3500 square foot cardboard cutouts, either.
This is about giving us just enough rope to hang ourselves. Doing the right thing is difficult. It’s an everyday struggle.
Being a lazy arse complainer who expects the rest of us to clothe, feed, and house your stank is easy.
Anyway, I don’t want to ruin the surprise.
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