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re: How successful would a country be invading the U.S.?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:43 pm to Tigerbait337
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:43 pm to Tigerbait337
A seaborn invasion of the US is an impossibility due to the logistics that would be required to sustain an invasion force.
For starters, think of the size of an invasion force it would take to invade the US. We're talking multiple army groups, like at least four. To give some perspective, the Western allies in WWII only used three army groups as they drove across France and into Germany in 1944-1945.
Any invasion of the US would be impossible because of the impossibility of sustaining the invasion force across an entire ocean.
For starters, think of the size of an invasion force it would take to invade the US. We're talking multiple army groups, like at least four. To give some perspective, the Western allies in WWII only used three army groups as they drove across France and into Germany in 1944-1945.
Any invasion of the US would be impossible because of the impossibility of sustaining the invasion force across an entire ocean.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:47 pm to Tigerbait337
Very successful in this day and age, LBGT group would roll over and urged their fellows to do the same, because they believe LBGT are not as oppressesd by foreign countries.
Every one that need a safe space, a gender neutral stuff will roll over because the invaders would exert their dominance over those weak willed ones.
Unfortunately, those kind of people are on the West coast and East coast. prime invasion points.
Every one that need a safe space, a gender neutral stuff will roll over because the invaders would exert their dominance over those weak willed ones.
Unfortunately, those kind of people are on the West coast and East coast. prime invasion points.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:48 pm to Tigerbait337
The most likely scenario for invasion would have to involve major internal strife and a foreign power coming here at the behest of one or more parties and taking advantage of the situation. I think the most likely scernario for a prolonged civil war is one where foreign powers involve themselves early on, providing military grade weapons to groups its supports, and then increase influence as the war progress.
While the average citizen is armed enough to stage a small insurgency, in order to fight modern militaries you need military grade weapons, as well as bureaucratic structures in place that can deal with the situations wartime requires.
While the average citizen is armed enough to stage a small insurgency, in order to fight modern militaries you need military grade weapons, as well as bureaucratic structures in place that can deal with the situations wartime requires.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:51 pm to Tigerbait337
In Red Dawn it was a combo attack the Russian took out NORAD and the Pentagon etc with nukes, then used private airlines to get airborne troops into Texas and opened a corridor for the Cuban and whoever else armies. The USA was not 100% occupied.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:06 am to Ed Osteen
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People on this website has a strange fixation on ideas that the south is the only armed area of the country. This might blow your mind but there are rural areas all along the west coast. California also has heavily conservative areas as well.
Uhh yeah.
Why do people think NYC = ny state? I've lived in NY and PA - Outside of those cities everyone owns guns. Everyone takes off work and school for deer season. Combine that with the rugged terrain of those northeast states and I see them as being more difficult to take than the south
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:11 am to Tigerbait337
There would be a gun behind every blade of grass. 
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:11 am to Ricardo
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It is pretty funny when average people talk of war.
The average US citizen can't run 100 meters without collapsing. Much less do anything as physically demanding as fighting a trained military. The average male can probably barely do 10 pushups.
Fighting a war isn't like sitting in your deer stand and dragging your trophy out on a 4 wheeler.
People have these delusions of grandeur. That they will somehow rise to the occasion. I look around and see a bunch of overindulged weaklings all over the place.
War is not like the movies. All your plans about how things will go will evaporate when the first shots start flying.
I think you underestimate what people are capable of when their families' lives and homes are at stake.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:31 am to Korkstand
I think the one thing everyone is forgetting here is how militarized our law inforcement it. This includes wildlife and fisheries.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:15 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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I think the one thing everyone is forgetting here is how militarized our law inforcement it. This includes wildlife and fisheries.
Those fatass cops are soft as hell and will flee as soon as it turns to war instead of ten armed guys on one unarmed black guy.
Look at Katrina in New Orleans.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:47 am to Tigerbait337
I'm sure Darpa has something developed we could use.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:20 am to Tigerbait337
When you talk about taking any major city the amount of troops required would preclude any sneak attack, it just is not possible to move that many folks undercover.
If we just assume this giant force was able to land they would die of dehydration or starvation in short order as the logistics would be impossible. This is not even touching on fuel and ammo.
These are the reasons it neither can nor will happen and has little to do with armed rednecks, nearly every populace that has been invaded since the dawn of mankind has been armed.
If we just assume this giant force was able to land they would die of dehydration or starvation in short order as the logistics would be impossible. This is not even touching on fuel and ammo.
These are the reasons it neither can nor will happen and has little to do with armed rednecks, nearly every populace that has been invaded since the dawn of mankind has been armed.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:43 am to cave canem
I think people over estimate the effectiveness of our general population against a trained armed force.
Sure there are a lot of guns and the general population would want to fight back but lack of communications and coordination would render us largely ineffective.
Sure guerrilla warefare would be common place and occupying the territory in its entirety would be tough but the general public stopping an invasion is laughable.
Sure there are a lot of guns and the general population would want to fight back but lack of communications and coordination would render us largely ineffective.
Sure guerrilla warefare would be common place and occupying the territory in its entirety would be tough but the general public stopping an invasion is laughable.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:15 am to Tigerbait337
1/3 of our country would surrender, as soon as the invaders claimed they were coming.
liberals would welcome the invaders at the beaches, with apple pies and their atm cards.
liberals would welcome the invaders at the beaches, with apple pies and their atm cards.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:32 am to Tigerbait337
West coast is hard because of the cliffs that make up the shoreline.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 5:51 am to Tigerbait337
1. USA is too big
We’re a coast-to-coast nation, this makes it hard to establish any kind of beachhead. You’d have to try and take a costal city, like Miami, while the rest of the country is focusing on fricking your shite up good and proper. No matter what part of the country someone hit, the rest of the nation would be prepared to hit back. There’s no way to attack the whole country at once without the use of nuclear weapons, and if you’re going for nukes then invasion isn’t on your itinerary. Also, breathing isn’t on your itinerary if you nuke us. We’ve got more nukes than anyone and guess where they’ll all be aimed once Denver turns to dust and we’ve clocked that you’re not fricking around.
2. You can’t really control this place.
We’re too fragmented, too ready to follow local leaders against the invaders. Even if you knocked out our national network, and that’s a huge if, we’d just fall back on governors and the like. Again, the sheer size of the place makes invasion a difficult issue. No matter where you hit, you can’t possibly have enough people to control all the deliberately fragmented areas. Even China doesn’t have enough people to hold this place. No matter what happened, there would be so many pockets of resistance that the situation would quickly spiral out of any semblance of control.
3. Our neighbors suck at resources and would make terrible staging points.
You need to launch your invasion from somewhere. We’ve got a neighbor to the north, and one to the south, and if we heard of something happening there we would run to see what was up. Neither Canada nor Mexico produce anywhere near enough food to supply an invading force. Mexico has a lot of desert and Canada has a lot of undeveloped land that would take decades to make arable. Both nations have an army as well, and Canadians always seem a little twitchy to me to be honest. They’ve got that look in their eye. You know the look? That look that says while they were willing to be polite in almost any circumstances, now that you’ve invaded, shite is indeed on. Yeah, that look. Remember, they produced Wolverine. Never trusted Canada myself, I’ve always thought they would send back the heads of an invading army with an apologetic note pinned to each one saying they were sorry for the blood stains. As a result, neither nation presents itself as a natural platform. In order to use either you would have to rely on heavily stretched supply lines and headless soldiers in the case of Canada. All the while, you’d have to deal with the US sending troops, guns, tanks, planes, camels, steak knives, hookers with hearts of gold and a coked-up Toby Keith to our buddies in order to help them repel the invaders.
4. You’d have to take us all on.
Americans aren’t really known for their sanity. We’re more known for our blind patriotism, our love of fatty foods and our proclivity towards mindless violence. Even if 90% of the nation fell in with the invaders, and that’s a huge fricking if, that would still leave around 30 million freedom fighters who have decided that your shite needs ruining in the worst possible way. According to some quick and very shoddy research I just did, there are only about 2 million people in the US armed forces. That would mean that if a foreign power had roughly the same numbers, they would be outnumbered 15 to 1. The thing is, I’m sort of guessing that my 30 million fighters might be a conservative estimate. As batshit crazy as my fellow countrymen have proven to be when attacked, I’m thinking the number would likely be much higher than that. We do have a habit of putting our differences aside if it means we have to go cut a collective bitch. Even if it’s only 50 million though, that’s a million people in each state, all of whom have decided that they’d like to kill them one of those sons-of-bitches what invaded our land. Besides, once we get Toby Keith all coked up, he counts for three. And we wouldn’t be worried about armament because…
5. Well… we do ALL have guns.
I am actually serious about this. There are roughly enough weapons to give every man, woman and child a firearm. Invade and you are facing a nation of 300 million armed and dangerous nutters. And that’s not including the people who have decided to also go for knives, sword, bows, baseball bats, tire irons, clubs, sharp sticks, things that appear in Dead Rising as weapons, and a coked-up Toby Keith. As much as I deplore gun violence, I do love me that Second Amendment. I personally think all good liberals should buy a gun, maintain it and practice shooting. This is because A) It’s your right and you should exercise your rights and B) If the shite ever does hit the fan, you’ll want to be prepared.
So to recap, the size of the place works against you, you’d have no friendly port for resources, the fragmented and layered style of government makes it hard to crush organized resistance, there sure are a lot of us willing to fight, and we’re the most heavily armed populace in the history of history. This isn’t to say that no one ever will try to invade, or that no one will ever try to knock out a few cities, but the fact is that it’s a fool’s game and you could never hope to win. Hell, just the number of peacenik liberals I know with shotguns under their beds should give any invader pause. So relax, it’ll be okay. Besides, if anyone ever does come, we just introduce Toby Keith to cocaine and let him go at it. We just have to be careful, we have no idea the power we could be unleashing.
We’re a coast-to-coast nation, this makes it hard to establish any kind of beachhead. You’d have to try and take a costal city, like Miami, while the rest of the country is focusing on fricking your shite up good and proper. No matter what part of the country someone hit, the rest of the nation would be prepared to hit back. There’s no way to attack the whole country at once without the use of nuclear weapons, and if you’re going for nukes then invasion isn’t on your itinerary. Also, breathing isn’t on your itinerary if you nuke us. We’ve got more nukes than anyone and guess where they’ll all be aimed once Denver turns to dust and we’ve clocked that you’re not fricking around.
2. You can’t really control this place.
We’re too fragmented, too ready to follow local leaders against the invaders. Even if you knocked out our national network, and that’s a huge if, we’d just fall back on governors and the like. Again, the sheer size of the place makes invasion a difficult issue. No matter where you hit, you can’t possibly have enough people to control all the deliberately fragmented areas. Even China doesn’t have enough people to hold this place. No matter what happened, there would be so many pockets of resistance that the situation would quickly spiral out of any semblance of control.
3. Our neighbors suck at resources and would make terrible staging points.
You need to launch your invasion from somewhere. We’ve got a neighbor to the north, and one to the south, and if we heard of something happening there we would run to see what was up. Neither Canada nor Mexico produce anywhere near enough food to supply an invading force. Mexico has a lot of desert and Canada has a lot of undeveloped land that would take decades to make arable. Both nations have an army as well, and Canadians always seem a little twitchy to me to be honest. They’ve got that look in their eye. You know the look? That look that says while they were willing to be polite in almost any circumstances, now that you’ve invaded, shite is indeed on. Yeah, that look. Remember, they produced Wolverine. Never trusted Canada myself, I’ve always thought they would send back the heads of an invading army with an apologetic note pinned to each one saying they were sorry for the blood stains. As a result, neither nation presents itself as a natural platform. In order to use either you would have to rely on heavily stretched supply lines and headless soldiers in the case of Canada. All the while, you’d have to deal with the US sending troops, guns, tanks, planes, camels, steak knives, hookers with hearts of gold and a coked-up Toby Keith to our buddies in order to help them repel the invaders.
4. You’d have to take us all on.
Americans aren’t really known for their sanity. We’re more known for our blind patriotism, our love of fatty foods and our proclivity towards mindless violence. Even if 90% of the nation fell in with the invaders, and that’s a huge fricking if, that would still leave around 30 million freedom fighters who have decided that your shite needs ruining in the worst possible way. According to some quick and very shoddy research I just did, there are only about 2 million people in the US armed forces. That would mean that if a foreign power had roughly the same numbers, they would be outnumbered 15 to 1. The thing is, I’m sort of guessing that my 30 million fighters might be a conservative estimate. As batshit crazy as my fellow countrymen have proven to be when attacked, I’m thinking the number would likely be much higher than that. We do have a habit of putting our differences aside if it means we have to go cut a collective bitch. Even if it’s only 50 million though, that’s a million people in each state, all of whom have decided that they’d like to kill them one of those sons-of-bitches what invaded our land. Besides, once we get Toby Keith all coked up, he counts for three. And we wouldn’t be worried about armament because…
5. Well… we do ALL have guns.
I am actually serious about this. There are roughly enough weapons to give every man, woman and child a firearm. Invade and you are facing a nation of 300 million armed and dangerous nutters. And that’s not including the people who have decided to also go for knives, sword, bows, baseball bats, tire irons, clubs, sharp sticks, things that appear in Dead Rising as weapons, and a coked-up Toby Keith. As much as I deplore gun violence, I do love me that Second Amendment. I personally think all good liberals should buy a gun, maintain it and practice shooting. This is because A) It’s your right and you should exercise your rights and B) If the shite ever does hit the fan, you’ll want to be prepared.
So to recap, the size of the place works against you, you’d have no friendly port for resources, the fragmented and layered style of government makes it hard to crush organized resistance, there sure are a lot of us willing to fight, and we’re the most heavily armed populace in the history of history. This isn’t to say that no one ever will try to invade, or that no one will ever try to knock out a few cities, but the fact is that it’s a fool’s game and you could never hope to win. Hell, just the number of peacenik liberals I know with shotguns under their beds should give any invader pause. So relax, it’ll be okay. Besides, if anyone ever does come, we just introduce Toby Keith to cocaine and let him go at it. We just have to be careful, we have no idea the power we could be unleashing.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 5:54 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 6:20 am to upgrayedd
I hear what your saying but one state could be overwelmed...strength is in neighboring states being armed like AZ
Posted on 10/26/16 at 6:20 am to Tigerbait337
They're already taking over from within without firing shots. They've had the White House the last 8 years and if Killary gets elected, it's all over.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 6:23 am to OMLandshark
Well adolescent name caller ( surmize must be low informed) what do you have?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 6:26 am to OMLandshark
Adolescent name caller go back and read OP....really read it and think
Maybe just maybe you won't spark so fast the next time
Maybe just maybe you won't spark so fast the next time
Posted on 10/26/16 at 6:27 am to Tigerbait337
Is there ANY value to such an invasion? Why would they do it?
Think about how many troops we needed just to get a half-assed handle on Iraq. Now think about how large the U.S. is, how many reserve units are based all over.
The reward is nowhere near worth the risk.
Think about how many troops we needed just to get a half-assed handle on Iraq. Now think about how large the U.S. is, how many reserve units are based all over.
The reward is nowhere near worth the risk.
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