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Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:02 pm to Glorious
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Spread your mental buttcheeks when you come across the Logic Games portion
Yeah, the other two sections are more or less just harder ACT style questions. Not too bad.
frick the puzzles though
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:07 pm to CelticDog
Don’t let these people scare you away from law school if you really wanna do it. Nothing worth having is easy, but law school really isn’t that bad once you get adapted to it. Study hard for the LSAT that score determines how much scholarship money you get. Even kids with horrible GPA’s get large scholarships with outstanding LSAT scores. Hell a kid I went to school with had I think lower than a 2.4 gpa in college but got an LSAT score in the mid 160s and Loyola gave him a full ride. All in all The dude failed out the first year, but still goes to show how important that test is for money
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:16 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Then you don't know anything about the LSAT
I took the test 20 years ago, maybe things have changed since I’ve been practicing law. From what I recall, nobody that I knew, myself included, increased their scores by more than a few points after taking the class. Maybe you’re right, maybe I don’t have a clue. But it seems to me if everybody could easily score 160s on the LSAT with a little practice, the average score would be higher than it is.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:22 pm to lodgedup
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:22 pm to lodgedup
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Don’t let these people scare you away from law school if you really wanna do it. Nothing worth having is easy, but law school really isn’t that bad once you get adapted to it. Study hard for the LSAT that score determines how much scholarship money you get. Even kids with horrible GPA’s get large scholarships with outstanding LSAT scores. Hell a kid I went to school with had I think lower than a 2.4 gpa in college but got an LSAT score in the mid 160s and Loyola gave him a full ride. All in all The dude failed out the first year, but still goes to show how important that test is for money
Thanks so much man. It means a lot.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:51 pm to whitetiger1234
allegedly
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:06 pm to whitetiger1234
LSAT: only study the "problems" portion
Law School: Don't go, you can work any job and get ridiculed just as much for half the student loan debt
Law School: Don't go, you can work any job and get ridiculed just as much for half the student loan debt
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:22 pm to whitetiger1234
1. Little known gem - Southern U. Law Center in BR has had grant funds to underwrite a low-cost LSAT review course on several weekends each Spring and Fall. Good choice especially if you are on a budget as much, much cheaper than the big corporate review courses. Call Law Chancellor Pierre to see if they still do it. They will supply you with the past ten official tests.
2. The games portion (analytical reasoning) of their review is very helpful. You have to learn that some of the vocabulary wording on that section has a specific meaning. The company that provides the program sometimes also does private tutoring.
3. Practice on those past tests without timer first to gain understanding of how the questions are constructed. All tests should be similar since they have to have comparatively similar scores from all test versions. Then start giving yourself timed tests with extra time at first then reducing the time toward actual test conditions. You can also find copies of the prior 30 official tests if you search.
2. The games portion (analytical reasoning) of their review is very helpful. You have to learn that some of the vocabulary wording on that section has a specific meaning. The company that provides the program sometimes also does private tutoring.
3. Practice on those past tests without timer first to gain understanding of how the questions are constructed. All tests should be similar since they have to have comparatively similar scores from all test versions. Then start giving yourself timed tests with extra time at first then reducing the time toward actual test conditions. You can also find copies of the prior 30 official tests if you search.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:25 pm to whitetiger1234
Oh, I forgot to mention: Consider some other profession. Too many attorneys, not enough jobs, particularly in Louisiana. Might be better elsewhere. Consider MBA Medical Administration.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:38 pm to whitetiger1234
I took it a very long time ago, but the stakes were high. My gpa was not bad but not great, so I had to blow the top off to get where I wanted to be. Here was my plan.
1). Simulate test conditions. Figure out where you are going to take it. Prepare in that building, preferably in the same room.
NASA simulated space flight so well that the astronauts were almost bored with space. Everything was automatic and muscle memory for them. That meant when something went wrong, they had enormous bandwidth to deal with it.
If you simulate test conditions, you can do the same. The question you didn’t expect, the car alarm going off, the frat star next to you shaking the desk as he erases every other question, none of that will matter, because you will be so comfortable and autonomous with everything else.
2. Play for time. You must do timed tests over and over. You must ruthlessly budget time on this test.
3. Get physical. Plan hydration so you don’t have to pee three times. Wake up at exactly the same time you will for the test. Know your blood sugar patterns and how it affects your thinking. Manage caffeine intake. Do anything you can to maximize your mental acuity.
Practice your arse off. I had a near perfect score. If that’s bragging, then it is. I worked my arse off for it. It got me a free ride to law school, and admissions to some top tier law schools (which I turned down).
1). Simulate test conditions. Figure out where you are going to take it. Prepare in that building, preferably in the same room.
NASA simulated space flight so well that the astronauts were almost bored with space. Everything was automatic and muscle memory for them. That meant when something went wrong, they had enormous bandwidth to deal with it.
If you simulate test conditions, you can do the same. The question you didn’t expect, the car alarm going off, the frat star next to you shaking the desk as he erases every other question, none of that will matter, because you will be so comfortable and autonomous with everything else.
2. Play for time. You must do timed tests over and over. You must ruthlessly budget time on this test.
3. Get physical. Plan hydration so you don’t have to pee three times. Wake up at exactly the same time you will for the test. Know your blood sugar patterns and how it affects your thinking. Manage caffeine intake. Do anything you can to maximize your mental acuity.
Practice your arse off. I had a near perfect score. If that’s bragging, then it is. I worked my arse off for it. It got me a free ride to law school, and admissions to some top tier law schools (which I turned down).
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:42 pm to JudgeHolden
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JudgeHolden
Thank you so much.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:45 pm to whitetiger1234
Make some close friends in your first year, you'll need them.
Find a spot at the library and lock it down, you'll need it for your first year and when you're studying for the bar.
Network and don't listen to your classmates when they brag about grades or how they think they did on a test. Half the people in your class will continue to give lawyers a bad rep and don't know near as much as they think they do.
Work hard and network. First year sucks and is intimidating. 2nd year isn't bad. 3rd year you're wondering why you're wasting time taking classes.
Treat bar prep like a 9-5 job. I did and even took (most) weekends off. I kicked the bar's arse.
Find a spot at the library and lock it down, you'll need it for your first year and when you're studying for the bar.
Network and don't listen to your classmates when they brag about grades or how they think they did on a test. Half the people in your class will continue to give lawyers a bad rep and don't know near as much as they think they do.
Work hard and network. First year sucks and is intimidating. 2nd year isn't bad. 3rd year you're wondering why you're wasting time taking classes.
Treat bar prep like a 9-5 job. I did and even took (most) weekends off. I kicked the bar's arse.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:48 pm to au4you
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au4you
Thank you so much.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:51 pm to PhantomMenace
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Consider MBA Medical Administration.
Best advice given on the entire thread....
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:51 pm to MrLSU
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I can't disagree with this enough. The law school you graduate from and your class rank don't mean jack shite.
Lol. No one is getting big in the bottom 25% from SULC. Maybe in Louisiana cause that state is different, but in the real legal markets (NYC, Philly, Los Angeles, etc) where you went to school and your class rank matters a lot. I mean, at least for the jobs that actually pay well.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:52 pm to au4you
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Network and don't listen to your classmates when they brag about grades or how they think they did on a test.
This is gospel. If someone brags walking out of a law school exam, get his forwarding address. He may not be around come the next semester.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:55 pm to cyarrr
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I took the test 20 years ago, maybe things have changed since I’ve been practicing law. From what I recall, nobody that I knew, myself included, increased their scores by more than a few points after taking the class. Maybe you’re right, maybe I don’t have a clue. But it seems to me if everybody could easily score 160s on the LSAT with a little practice, the average score would be higher than it is.
I think I went up about 5 points from the benchmark test to my actual score. But from benchmark to my highest "actual conditions" practice I went up 10 points, so I very well may have underperformed a little on test day.
A family member went up over 10 points after the course. That probably isn't normal, but depending on where you start/end that can be the difference between questionable accreditation and a decent state U, or a T2 school and a top 20, etc.
For some people the class is the difference between going to a pretty bad law school and one where they at least have a fighting chance, so it's not just for people trying to break into the 160s+
Posted on 2/21/19 at 5:57 pm to Pettifogger
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I think I went up about 5 points from the benchmark test to my actual score. But from benchmark to my highest "actual conditions" practice I went up 10 points, so I very well may have underperformed a little on test day.
A family member went up over 10 points after the course. That probably isn't normal, but depending on where you start/end that can be the difference between questionable accreditation and a decent state U, or a T2 school and a top 20, etc.
For some people the class is the difference between going to a pretty bad law school and one where they at least have a fighting chance, so it's not just for people trying to break into the 160s+
Yeah, this makes sense. I just thought it was a bit of a reach by JohnnyKilroy to say anybody with an average IQ can score deep into the 160s. I don't think that's realistic, and in the very least is misleading.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 6:24 pm to whitetiger1234
I would ask yourself the following questions, and be very honest with yourself about who you really are:
1. Can you score high enough on the LSAT to get into a top 14 law school?
2. Is your family so well connected in the legal or business world that you basically already have a future job lined up before you even start law school, no matter your school prestige or grades?
If the answer to either of those questions is yes, stop here. Going to law school is probably a wise decision for you. If the answer to both of those questions is no, go on to these next questions:
3. Are you a ridiculously hard worker?
4. Can you tolerate, and almost enjoy huge stress levels?
5. Would you be great at starting a small business in the non legal world by yourself despite not having any real world experience and very little guidance?
6. Are you completely fine with the idea of most of your undergrad friends making more money than you for the next ten years, while they work fewer hours with more job stability?
If you made it this far and the answer to any of those questions is no, I would highly advise you not to go to law school. Do not go to an non T14 law school assuming you will be top 5% in your class. There is a 95% chance you won't. If you go to law school without any of the advantages of the first two questions, you better be an absolute bulldog scrapper. I'm talking about the kind of person that would succeed at anything. And if you are already that kind of person, there are better careers that would make you more money anyways.
1. Can you score high enough on the LSAT to get into a top 14 law school?
2. Is your family so well connected in the legal or business world that you basically already have a future job lined up before you even start law school, no matter your school prestige or grades?
If the answer to either of those questions is yes, stop here. Going to law school is probably a wise decision for you. If the answer to both of those questions is no, go on to these next questions:
3. Are you a ridiculously hard worker?
4. Can you tolerate, and almost enjoy huge stress levels?
5. Would you be great at starting a small business in the non legal world by yourself despite not having any real world experience and very little guidance?
6. Are you completely fine with the idea of most of your undergrad friends making more money than you for the next ten years, while they work fewer hours with more job stability?
If you made it this far and the answer to any of those questions is no, I would highly advise you not to go to law school. Do not go to an non T14 law school assuming you will be top 5% in your class. There is a 95% chance you won't. If you go to law school without any of the advantages of the first two questions, you better be an absolute bulldog scrapper. I'm talking about the kind of person that would succeed at anything. And if you are already that kind of person, there are better careers that would make you more money anyways.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 6:31 pm
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