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re: How prepared would NYC be if a category 5 hurricane hit?

Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:14 am to
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:14 am to
Less deaths than we are in for if we don’t get Trump out soon.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 10:15 am
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:15 am to
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Lower manhattan would be inundated and the subways would be flooded for weeks or months.


Subways became water pipelines during Sandy.

We were fricked in that hurricane. We aren't prepared for the gulf coast because we don't get them as often. Plus we are run by Dems. So the money goes into culcha programs and not public safety.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:16 am to
“Tropical storm with hurricane force gusts” doesn’t sound as serious
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135363 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:17 am to
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had hurricane force winds in gusts.

Like many other tropical storms have have always remained "tropical storms"?
Yep.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15825 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:18 am to
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“Tropical storm with hurricane force gusts” doesn’t sound as serious


That is kind of the point. The media created the superstorm name just to make it sound more threatening after the fact.

ETA: Plus it was catchy
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 10:19 am
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:20 am to
The alliteration was perfect.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:20 am to
Everyone's forgetting that with the exception of The Bronx, NYC is all islands. Staten Island and Manhattan are obviously islands. Brooklyn and Queens are on the West end of Long Island, which would be on the East side of any storm that directly hit the city. All of Long Island, including its infrastructure that might allow bringing supplies to Brooklyn and Queens over land from ports farther East would be devastated by a Cat 5. The Bronx is connected directly to the rest of the state of New York and getting supplies in is not the monumental undertaking it would be for the other four boroughs.

The Bronx is 1.5 million people. NYC as a whole is about 8 million (city, not metroplex). 1.5 million people have all kinds of roads that can reach them. How do you keep the remaining 6.5 million people alive who have to be resupplied entirely via bridge or ship after a cat 5 comes in and destroys bridges, ports, docks, etc.?

Those people would go feral.

We haven't even begun to discuss the additional 7.5 million people that live on the parts of Long Island that aren't NYC who are also going to be battered, thirsty, and starving.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 10:29 am
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:21 am to
I am not sure if anyone, especially on this board, has enough information to be able to provide an accurate answer.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:22 am to
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I am not sure if anyone, especially on this board, has enough information to be able to provide an accurate answer.


Insightful as always, Chris.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:23 am to
No city can prepare for a direct hit from a CAT5.

What New York has going for it is an immense amount of wealth and political power that can help facilitate a quick recovery.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
39232 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:32 am to
About as prepared as we are for a blizzard
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135363 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:34 am to
Many years ago, even before September 11, 2001, I read an article that purported to describe what New York City would look like in 1,000 years if left alone without any maintenance or human actions to preserve the infrastructure. (Also it assumed no damage from a war.)

Weird topic, I know but it was in National Geographic, I believe.

One thought in the article stuck with me and that was New York City on average takes a direct hit by a major hurricane once every 100 years. So that would mean the city would experience 10 hurricane landfalls in a millennium.

The result would be the World Trade Center towers would have had all of their windows blown out and the twin towers would have been basically skeleton structures.

Funny how an obscure article like that sticks in a memory cell in the brain....
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
178330 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:38 am to
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So I researched it and learned that it wasn't considered a hurricane at landfall although it had hurricane force winds in gusts.

So the media had to create a hyped up term rather than just calling it Tropical Storm Sandy.

It wasn’t called Hurricane Sandy because the system lost its tropical characteristics before landfall. It wasn’t a hurricane or a tropical storm. However the sustained winds were 80 mph.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 11:32 am to
Probably have some people saying that George Bush hates black people
Posted by LPTReb
Member since Jul 2016
491 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 11:35 am to
This. It had nothing to do with the wind speed. From the linked article on the previous page:

quote:

A purely tropical weather system mainly taps warm ocean waters for its strength, and has the strongest winds and rain closest to the center of the storm. An extratropical system, on the other hand, draws its power from large-scale temperature contrasts between warm and cold air masses, and has a far broader wind field and frontal features, such as cold and warm fronts.


Posted by tween the hedges
Member since Feb 2012
20650 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 11:48 am to
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Subways became water pipelines during Sandy.

I just moved from NYC after 5 years. My commute was going to be absolute f'ed by the L shutting down for years to repair following Sandy. If more trains took that damage it would hurt for a long time.
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
55375 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:22 pm to
I am just about a block from the red area.
Posted by Cymry Teigr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:39 pm to
All it should take is a look at the effect on Long Island as a result of Hurricane Gloria in the middle or late 1980’s. The utter panic caused by the potential of that hurricane caused them to close down the George Washington Bridge effectively stranding people on the storm side instead of allowing them to evacuate Long Island.

There is far more development out further on Long Island than back then, yet for all intents and purposes the infrastructure is still the same.

As for all the comments whether or not Sandy was a hurricane or not, which we know it wasn’t, surely folks in our area are not that forgetful that we have already forgotten that a storm doesn’t even have to be named to do immense damage? One should also bear in mind topography and take into account storm tracks. The path of Sandy caused a storm surge that simply left it nowhere to disperse.
Posted by palm springs tiger
Member since Aug 2004
687 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:24 pm to
NYC has a hurricane impact study prepared by the USACOE.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17754 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:24 pm to
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All it should take is a look at the effect on Long Island as a result of Hurricane Gloria in the middle or late 1980’s. The utter panic caused by the potential of that hurricane caused them to close down the George Washington Bridge effectively stranding people on the storm side instead of allowing them to evacuate Long Island.

There is far more development out further on Long Island than back then, yet for all intents and purposes the infrastructure is still the same.

As for all the comments whether or not Sandy was a hurricane or not, which we know it wasn’t, surely folks in our area are not that forgetful that we have already forgotten that a storm doesn’t even have to be named to do immense damage? One should also bear in mind topography and take into account storm tracks. The path of Sandy caused a storm surge that simply left it nowhere to disperse.


I grew up on Long Island and stayed home through Hurricane Gloria. I was 8 years old and loved climbing on all of the downed trees

I remember the radio playing Archie Bunker "Gloria!!" clips making light of the situation

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