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re: How much urban blight plays an enormous role in our health
Posted on 7/27/21 at 10:42 am to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 7/27/21 at 10:42 am to Mike da Tigah
Centinel’s explanation above is good. Until you get the residents of the community to take ownership of the conditions and be responsible for bettering them, there won’t be any change. Those who would be willing to do that are likely intimidated by the criminal element in the area into inaction. Thus, the vicious cycle.
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:23 am to High C
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Until you get the residents of the community to take ownership of the conditions and be responsible for bettering them, there won’t be any change. Those who would be willing to do that are likely intimidated by the criminal element in the area into inaction.
Or they eventually find a way to get out there, themselves. Either way, you're left with a population that doesn't care remaining.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:33 am to Mike da Tigah
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People who claim to love their cities and allow this to remain the standard do not care one bit for their cities or the people therein, or they would ACT, and yet they do nothing.
What would you have them do?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:36 am to Mike da Tigah
Folks who shite in their own bed and won't even kick the turd out have health issues?
Who woulda suspected?
Who woulda suspected?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:38 am to Kentucker
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What would you have them do?
To stop whining about gentrifying. That would definitely help.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:42 am to Centinel
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Why bother when the residents don't give a frick and will just trash it again?
This
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They'll vote democrat no matter what, and that's really all that matters.
And this
Unfortunately in Louisiana, regardless of where you attempt a clean up the locals trash it up within a short period of time. It’s one of the more vexing problems for the state- the fact that so many of the natives seem to not give a flying frick how dirty or trashy things get. Even if you show them how nice it is when it’s clean.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:44 am to Kentucker
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What would you have them do?
Do what they were elected to do, serve their communities. Homicides are up astronomically, but that does not mean we should allow the crime to continue to run rampant simply because we feel like fighting it is an effort in futility. That will only cause it to wax worse over time, not better.
The current condition may very be attributed to the criminal element or poor behavior in segments of our population, but society’s very inaction and reluctance to do anything is on US.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:52 am to Mike da Tigah
The dirty little secret (not if you are paying attention) is that the Dem leaders have no desire to clean up the blight. They have that demo right where they want them. Poor, defeated, and hopeless, looking for government’s help to be their shining light.
If the blight is cleaned, it may actually motivate people to be/do better. Can’t have them becoming independent
If the blight is cleaned, it may actually motivate people to be/do better. Can’t have them becoming independent
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:03 pm to Mike da Tigah
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If Democrat cities would spend more time on demolishing dilapidated buildings, cleaning and maintaining lands, and improving the very visible and psychologically felt conditions of their cities instead of statues and doing absolutely nothing, I am convinced it would go a very long way in actually improving the lives of their citizens, and in creating a much happier and more hopeful environment for everyone to live in.
Naive. I had a friend who was working with / interning with an architect in the mid 90s. It's been a long time, but basically they had a project to work on one of the housing projects in New Orleans. I think it was either Desire or Florida. One of those down Poland Ave as you go towards Gentilly.
Anyway, the long and short of it was there was a lot of money spent on renovations. I especially remember him talking about the playground. I think they put new swing sets and new soft rubber/foam flooring, etc. Totally redid it. He told me they went back ONE WEEK after completion and everything was absolutely destroyed. The flooring looked like it had been shot with a machine gun and then ripped up by someone!
I think he left that experience a little more enlightened.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:06 pm to Centinel
If you demolish the dilapidated buildings, there are limits as to how much the natives can frick up things afterward.
A vacant lot full of trash isn’t near the eyesore that a vacant building covered in graffiti is.
A vacant lot full of trash isn’t near the eyesore that a vacant building covered in graffiti is.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:12 pm to Mike da Tigah
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I’ve long said every time I go into North Baton Rouge for business how awful and hopeless i feel when I get there. It literally puts you in a very depressed state of mind. I cannot imagine actually spending 2/3rd or greater of my life in those conditions.
I've got a crazy idea. Why don't those residents clean the damn area up? Their yards all have trash all over them and look like shite.
An abandoned building? OK yea a resident can't do much about that. Well I guess they could refrain from spray painting it and using it as a trash dump.
They also litter in public over there like it's a requirement for living.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:20 pm to Centinel
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Why bother when the residents don't give a frick and will just trash it again?
I agree…it’s a cultural thing. Trashy people are trashy, period.
Look at the poorest areas of Japan…they are squeaky clean because Japan has a culture of cleanliness. Economics don’t matter when it comes to cleanliness.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:24 pm to Kentucker
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What would you have them do?
Mow their lawns. Clean their gutters. Pick up litter. Have their go-nowhere "project" cars hauled off for scrap. Limit weekday porch gatherings. Find something better to do than hang out at gas stations.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:49 pm to Jones
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I've got a crazy idea. Why don't those residents clean the damn area up? Their yards all have trash all over them and look like shite.
An abandoned building? OK yea a resident can't do much about that. Well I guess they could refrain from spray painting it and using it as a trash dump.
They also litter in public over there like it's a requirement for living.
All of what you said is completely accurate, and cannot be refuted, but I will say that when government in particular ignores it and allows it to remain in ruin, it simply drives the point home that nobody cares, and there is NO hope, so it simply makes it worse.
I’d say that if any of us were to live in those conditions for a year or two, we’d probably throw our hands up and not care either. I’m not excusing it mind you, but I’m saying the the inaction on government maintains the status quo, and so nothing will ever change until we begin demanding change, and invest in at least tearing down the unsafe and disgusting buildings and eye sores, cutting the grass, and holding people responsible for simply maintaining their own land as well with fines or legal action if necessary.
There is no place you can run to really where this will not eventually catch up with you, and then the problem will be so gigantic that you will simply be absorbed by the enormous blob of hopelessness and despair yourself. The time to act is now while you still can, not tomorrow, or kick the can down to the next generation to deal with.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:00 pm to Mike da Tigah
I agree to an extent but the government isn't cleaning my neighborhood or yard currently and they never have.
My neighbors and I also don't go to the gas station nearby and loiter and litter all over.
I dont dump my trash in the store parking lot when I get out of my car.
North BR could be clean but those people don't give a shite.
I have a servitude nearby that was overgrowing and becoming a hassle in case Entergy ever had to get to the box. I went in there with some clippers, a saw, and a tree trimmer. Couldn't get through it all so the next day a weedwacker. After 2 days, I called the 311. The first thing they asked me was it filled with trash. Lol.
North BR is a lost cause
My neighbors and I also don't go to the gas station nearby and loiter and litter all over.
I dont dump my trash in the store parking lot when I get out of my car.
North BR could be clean but those people don't give a shite.
I have a servitude nearby that was overgrowing and becoming a hassle in case Entergy ever had to get to the box. I went in there with some clippers, a saw, and a tree trimmer. Couldn't get through it all so the next day a weedwacker. After 2 days, I called the 311. The first thing they asked me was it filled with trash. Lol.
North BR is a lost cause
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:08 pm to Mike da Tigah
If that's your attitude, why stop there? Hell, pay for a maid service to come sweep and wash the dishes inside each residence.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:15 pm to Mike da Tigah
Before we had kids, I spent time volunteering on "Keep America Beautiful" type groups in the cities we lived in.
One group focused on cleaning up playgrounds and parks, for instance. I thought it was very worthwhile. Problem is... it's good for about a month. The type of people that destroy playgrounds are the type that will just destroy them again.
The solution for blight would have to be pretty extreme. Why do businesses leave? Why do families leave? The answer, of course, is always white oppression.
One group focused on cleaning up playgrounds and parks, for instance. I thought it was very worthwhile. Problem is... it's good for about a month. The type of people that destroy playgrounds are the type that will just destroy them again.
The solution for blight would have to be pretty extreme. Why do businesses leave? Why do families leave? The answer, of course, is always white oppression.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:23 pm to Mike da Tigah
People living in blighted urban areas don’t spend 2/3 of their time in these areas. They spend 100% of their time there. You’re assuming that 1/3 of the time is spent at work. That’s not happening.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 2:05 pm to Mike da Tigah
A good resource regarding this is Wrath of Gnon on Twitter.
He's constantly discussing ways to beautify our cities and the vast importance of doing so.
He's constantly discussing ways to beautify our cities and the vast importance of doing so.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 5:24 pm to CaptainsWafer
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